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| Started by | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| First post | 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500 |
| Last post | 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700 |
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Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 06:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:28 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:27 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:19 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:23 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 22:09 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:48 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:44 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:19 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-04 02:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:58 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:19 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 20:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:00 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 15:20 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:34 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:57 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 20:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:16 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:30 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:07 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 17:07 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 16:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 16:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:21 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:43 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-05 22:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:21 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:46 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:50 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 09:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 10:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 21:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-10 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 14:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 13:42 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 16:24 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 17:31 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 23:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 00:21 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 05:26 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 05:52 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 07:04 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-10 04:35 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-10 01:39 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-10 15:46 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 15:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Corwin Esterness <woolcross@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:31 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 12:00 -0600
Truth Avoidance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 12:11 -0700
Re: Truth Avoidance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:12 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 18:41 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:56 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Bill (not Jillians) DOW #3" <noemail@none.not> - 2018-06-09 20:06 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-12 00:11 +0100
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 17:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 00:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-07 05:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 22:05 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:05 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 11:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:07 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:17 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:36 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sqskhdtobmd2spm5u0l01dv1cfb251nrld@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #170834 |
Just Wondering wrote: >On 6/1/2018 10:07 PM, Snit wrote: *plonk*
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| From | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2lvbhdl8m52dad4q6cc9tgqg02lmo3asid@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #170252 |
x-no-idiots: yes On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:07:14 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >So you will not answer the question. You have NO ideas. Fair enough... >it is not an easy question. > >But here are some things that will NOT work: > >* Redefining the term "bear arms" to try to twist the law. > >* Letting the NRA, a group that benefits from mass shootings, largely >control our gun laws. > >* Working to STOP research to better understand the problem and possible >solutions. > >Those are idiotic things... but we, as a country, do them. Back in the '90s as the NRA was ramping up its political wings, they told us that we would have fewer shootings if we all carried guns... so we did. Well, if that was going to have worked, it would have done so by now... it hasn't. Since being awash with guns hasn't worked so far, by what sane logic would we believe that yet *more* guns in more places will work? Jones -- Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnmdjjFckuoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171286 |
On 6/4/18 8:13 PM, !Jones wrote: > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:07:14 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> So you will not answer the question. You have NO ideas. Fair enough... >> it is not an easy question. >> >> But here are some things that will NOT work: >> >> * Redefining the term "bear arms" to try to twist the law. >> >> * Letting the NRA, a group that benefits from mass shootings, largely >> control our gun laws. >> >> * Working to STOP research to better understand the problem and possible >> solutions. >> >> Those are idiotic things... but we, as a country, do them. > > Back in the '90s as the NRA was ramping up its political wings, they > told us that we would have fewer shootings if we all carried guns... > so we did. Well, if that was going to have worked, it would have done > so by now... it hasn't. > > Since being awash with guns hasn't worked so far, by what sane logic > would we believe that yet *more* guns in more places will work? Arm teachers. Arm mall workers. Arm theater goers. Arm everyone. Have an arms race of the population. What could possibly go wrong? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <615chddbqok0og0fm101fr7r8h4fto6f50@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #171288 |
x-no-idiots: yes On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:16:03 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >Arm teachers. Arm mall workers. Arm theater goers. Arm everyone. Have an >arms race of the population. > >What could possibly go wrong? Arm air passengers so they can prevent hijackings... I've seen it proposed. Jones -- Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fnmns4Fecg6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171335 |
!Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:16:03 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> Arm teachers. Arm mall workers. Arm theater goers. Arm everyone. Have an >> arms race of the population. >> >> What could possibly go wrong? > > Arm air passengers so they can prevent hijackings... I've seen it > proposed. > > Jones > > -- > Quod si non verum est, non dicere est. > Not surprising at all.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fnmhb9Fd8cdU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171286 |
!Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:07:14 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> So you will not answer the question. You have NO ideas. Fair enough... >> it is not an easy question. >> >> But here are some things that will NOT work: >> >> * Redefining the term "bear arms" to try to twist the law. >> >> * Letting the NRA, a group that benefits from mass shootings, largely >> control our gun laws. >> >> * Working to STOP research to better understand the problem and possible >> solutions. >> >> Those are idiotic things... but we, as a country, do them. > > Back in the '90s as the NRA was ramping up its political wings, they > told us that we would have fewer shootings if we all carried guns... > so we did. Well, if that was going to have worked, it would have done > so by now... it hasn't. > > Since being awash with guns hasn't worked so far, by what sane logic > would we believe that yet *more* guns in more places will work? > > Jones > > -- > Quod si non verum est, non dicere est. > Phoenix area — some of the weakest gun laws in the country. What happened today. It is sickening.
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| From | Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sRrRC.52245$Kp4.41184@fx43.iad> |
| In reply to | #171286 |
On 6/4/2018 9:13 PM, !Jones wrote: > > Back in the '90s as the NRA was ramping up its political > wings, they told us that we would have fewer shootings > if we all carried guns... so we did. No, we all didn't.
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| From | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qm1dhdlkh727u45k2g2jjl2ol9784rr780@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #171376 |
x-no-idiots: yes On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 02:29:13 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> wrote: >No, we all didn't. JW, you must have learned to write on public toilet walls. Jones -- Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pf67n6$h8h$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171425 |
In news:qm1dhdlkh727u45k2g2jjl2ol9784rr780@4ax.com, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> typed: > x-idiot: jones > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 02:29:13 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just > Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> wrote: >> No, we all didn't. > JW, you must have learned to write on public toilet walls. Recognize the style, huh? You spend a lot of time in public men's rooms?
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| From | Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <h0zRC.262125$Hv4.157402@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #171425 |
On 6/5/2018 6:50 AM, !Jones wrote: > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 02:29:13 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just > Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> No, we all didn't. > > JW, you must have learned to write on public toilet walls. Ad hominem arguments ill become you.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnntvtFbpqgU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171478 |
On 6/5/18 9:38 AM, Just Wondering wrote: > On 6/5/2018 6:50 AM, !Jones wrote: >> x-no-idiots: yes >> >> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 02:29:13 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just >> Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> No, we all didn't. >> >> JW, you must have learned to write on public toilet walls. > > Ad hominem arguments ill become you. Sort of like the ad hominem nonsense of my being a "gun grabber". -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ugjdhd1loiu2am1pts675t2k8102ucl643@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #171478 |
x-no-idiots: yes On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 10:38:39 -0600, in talk.politics.guns Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> wrote: >Ad hominem arguments ill become you. And you expected exactly *what* on this group? I'd say: "pot/kettle/black", but it would be lost on you, sir. Jones -- Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
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| From | Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.358044ec765e56a8993c3f@news.altopia.com> |
| In reply to | #171376 |
Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by Checkmate! In article <sRrRC.52245$Kp4.41184@fx43.iad>, JustWondering@hotmail.com says... > > On 6/4/2018 9:13 PM, !Jones wrote: > > > > Back in the '90s as the NRA was ramping up its political > > wings, they told us that we would have fewer shootings > > if we all carried guns... so we did. > > No, we all didn't. I didn't think we all did. I certainly can't remember having done so. -- Checkmate ® Author, Humorist, Cynic Philosopher, Humanitarian Poet, Elektrishun to the Stars Copyright © 2018 all rights reserved In loving memory of The Battle Kitten May 2010-February 12, 2017 "There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke." "I am the author of nearly as much kook butthurt as kensi." -Nadegda Message-ID: <pbg8ne$p9k$21@dont-email.me>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnnnhfFkcqmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171450 |
On 6/5/18 7:58 AM, Checkmate wrote: > Warning! Always wear ANSI approved safety goggles when reading posts by > Checkmate! In article <sRrRC.52245$Kp4.41184@fx43.iad>, > JustWondering@hotmail.com says... > > >> >> On 6/4/2018 9:13 PM, !Jones wrote: >>> >>> Back in the '90s as the NRA was ramping up its political >>> wings, they told us that we would have fewer shootings >>> if we all carried guns... so we did. >> >> No, we all didn't. > > I didn't think we all did. I certainly can't remember having done so. Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying teachers! And they have been pushing this type of nonsense for a long time. <http://www.newsweek.com/nras-more-guns-less-crime-theory-debunked-new-stanford-analysis-630173> OR <https://goo.gl/xyxSVv> ----- GUNS MAKE US SAFE? NRA THEORY DEBUNKED IN NEW STANFORD ANALYSIS While the National Rifle Association (NRA) has long insisted that allowing Americans to carry guns make communities safer, an analysis of nearly 40 years’ worth of data has found that is not necessarily true. A Stanford Law School professor, John Donohue, and his team analyzed crime data from 1977 to 2014 and didn’t find evidence that areas where more Americans carry guns enjoy enhanced public safety or less crime. On the contrary, the researchers discovered that states that have enacted so-called right-to-carry (RTC) concealed handgun laws have experienced higher rates of violent crime than states that did not adopt those laws. ----- The NRA was asked to comment for the story. They declined. The NRA and their supporters fear research. Their claims are contrary to the evidence. I back evidence-based policy, wherever it takes us. I have noted that multiple times: I want to be clear this does not mean we should blindly trust any give research (that includes the study I reference above). Doing so can be wrong: as seen with things like the bran craze in the 1980s which was based on a poorly done study or the fear of vaccinations and autism which is based on a study that was faked (!). We should, however, well fund multiple studies from multiple groups and back strong peer review. That will give us our best information. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <u4ndhdh3e392269pvds4ht35lqa3kee0ff@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #171462 |
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying teachers! Here's the liberal alternative: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 That's how dumb the leftists are.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pf6ni2$4bp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171527 |
Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> > wrote: > >>Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying teachers! > > Here's the liberal alternative: > > https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 > > That's how dumb the leftists are. Maybe they are Quakers! :-D -- Q: Why don't lawyers go to the beach? A: The cats keep trying to bury them.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171527 |
On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> > wrote: > >> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying teachers! > > Here's the liberal alternative: > > https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 > > That's how dumb the leftists are. > What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in class rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pf6rad$mc$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #171533 |
In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit >> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying >>> teachers! >> Here's the liberal alternative: >> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 >> That's how dumb the leftists are. > What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in class > rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse. If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, would you rather have a baseball bat or a gun?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnoejnFbpqgU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #171556 |
On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote: > In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net, > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > >> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit >>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying >>>> teachers! > >>> Here's the liberal alternative: > >>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 > >>> That's how dumb the leftists are. > >> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in class >> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse. > > If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, would you rather have a baseball > bat or a gun? > > I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you want a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is likely to lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bb3m5g.j3i.17.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #171584 |
On 2018-06-05 2:45 PM, Snit wrote: > On 6/5/18 1:02 PM, max headroom wrote: >> In news:fno5uhFbpqgU8@mid.individual.net, >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: >> >>> On 6/5/18 11:56 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:11:42 -0700, Snit >>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Even now the NRA is saying schools should have gun-carrying >>>>> teachers! >> >>>> Here's the liberal alternative: >> >>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-school-district-gives-teachers-small-baseball-bats-last-resort-n864986 >>>> >> >>>> That's how dumb the leftists are. >> >>> What a stupid idea... but much, much better than putting GUNS in class >>> rooms. THAT idea is FAR worse. >> >> If a crazed gunman bursts into the room in which you are trapped, >> would you rather have a baseball >> bat or a gun? >> >> > I would rather NOT have more guns in the classroom given how it will > surely lead to more kids being shot. You can twist that to say you want > a gun if someone else has one, but when your "solution" is likely to > lead to more harm than good it is not a good solution. > no one needs a gun unless they are going to kill something
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