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| First post | 2018-05-31 05:22 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-06-04 23:17 -0500 |
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Slaughtering concert goers. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-31 05:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 12:06 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 10:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 15:49 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-05-31 20:12 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 17:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 16:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 19:57 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 17:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 21:38 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:07 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 08:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 22:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-05-31 19:49 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-05-31 17:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:39 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:13 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 03:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 08:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 11:59 -0700
Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄ Slaughtering concert goers. ❄ Snowflake ❄ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 14:07 -0500
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-01 13:13 -0600
Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄ ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? ❄ Snowflake ❄ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-01 14:21 -0500
Re: ? Snowflake ? ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? ? Snowflake ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-01 13:55 -0600
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 12:56 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-01 23:35 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-01 23:57 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-02 00:07 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-01 20:29 -0400
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-02 08:32 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-02 08:32 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 09:51 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-02 18:09 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-01 17:10 -0600
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-02 00:13 +0100
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 18:50 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:00 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:29 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:47 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 00:18 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 09:14 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:48 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:28 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:14 -0400
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 00:18 +0000
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 00:18 +0000
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-02 21:20 -0400
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 19:03 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:26 +0000
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:54 +0000
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:58 -0600
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:57 -0600
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 20:04 -0700
Re: ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: ❄ Snowflake ❄ ? Snowflake ? Slaughtering concert goers. ? Snowflake ? ❄ Snowflake ❄ Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-02 08:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 12:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 17:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 17:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:11 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:48 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 04:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:12 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 00:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:31 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:39 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 18:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:14 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:19 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:26 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 20:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:32 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:34 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:32 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 20:26 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-01 18:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:08 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:35 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:53 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:51 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 22:35 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 17:16 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-02 21:10 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 01:39 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-02 22:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 19:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:30 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 21:34 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 20:47 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-02 22:01 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 19:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:28 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:27 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:38 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. simon singh <ss1988singh980@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 02:53 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 20:28 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 22:39 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 21:33 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:19 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 04:54 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-02 05:06 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 22:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:54 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:41 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:11 -0700
The Supreme Court got it wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-02 06:51 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 11:59 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:43 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:25 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:28 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 19:45 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:08 -0600
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 23:24 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:12 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:15 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:37 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:48 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:00 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:32 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:58 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 21:38 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:49 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:49 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:45 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 22:47 -0600
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 05:40 +0000
Permission to breath ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-02 19:10 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 19:13 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 20:10 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:53 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 22:03 -0600
Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 23:33 -0400
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:42 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:57 -0400
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:08 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:07 -0700
Re: Permission to breath ? Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 21:36 -0600
Clarity. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-03 08:52 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-03 03:46 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:53 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 22:59 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 23:19 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-03 09:10 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:31 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:12 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:26 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:37 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:10 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:54 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 22:19 -0500
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 20:58 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 00:24 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 05:43 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-07 05:45 -0600
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 07:17 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 00:21 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 16:07 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:30 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 01:32 +0000
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:34 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:50 -0700
"Natural Rights" aren't always wonderful. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 19:02 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:49 -0700
Depressed Losers, slaughtering consert goers, is "natural" ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 12:21 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 02:18 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:25 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:38 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:16 -0400
Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 09:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:53 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-02 01:20 -0400
Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-02 06:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 10:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 10:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 13:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 13:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-02 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 19:05 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 20:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 21:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 22:34 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 07:59 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 12:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-03 14:02 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 13:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 09:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 13:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-03 15:21 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 04:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 11:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 11:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 12:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 16:41 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 16:48 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 17:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 17:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-03 18:51 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 01:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-03 20:11 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-03 18:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 18:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 03:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 08:40 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 12:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 12:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 00:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 01:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:21 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:37 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 20:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:02 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 17:59 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 15:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-04 17:27 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 15:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-04 23:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:51 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:19 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 09:37 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:51 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:02 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:48 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 07:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:27 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 08:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:32 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 16:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-06 15:34 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 17:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:15 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:41 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:24 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:17 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:01 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:32 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-08 05:15 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:49 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers like a meat packing service. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:07 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:31 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-31 21:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 02:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:51 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-01 08:00 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 06:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 21:28 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 19:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-01 23:27 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 21:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-02 01:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:19 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:23 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 22:09 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:48 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:44 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:19 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 23:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 13:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-04 02:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:58 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:19 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 20:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:26 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:00 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:45 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:48 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 15:20 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:34 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:57 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 20:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 06:41 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:29 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:16 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-08 08:30 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-04 21:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 00:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:07 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 13:27 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-04 17:07 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 16:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-04 16:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:15 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 22:13 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-04 20:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:41 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 06:11 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 04:19 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 02:29 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 07:50 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 07:41 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:38 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 10:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 07:58 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 11:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-06-05 14:58 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 12:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 13:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 14:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 14:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:47 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:21 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:43 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-05 22:44 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:04 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 15:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:42 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:21 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:46 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 21:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 19:13 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:36 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 21:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:47 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 21:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 21:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 22:44 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 22:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-09 02:13 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 23:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 06:22 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:16 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 08:28 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:50 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 09:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 10:29 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-09 20:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 21:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-10 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 14:54 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 17:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 13:42 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 16:24 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 15:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-09 17:31 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 23:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 00:21 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 05:26 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 05:52 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-10 07:04 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-10 04:35 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:34 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-10 01:39 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2018-06-10 15:46 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 15:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 18:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:22 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Corwin Esterness <woolcross@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 10:25 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 13:31 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 10:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 12:00 -0600
Truth Avoidance. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-06-09 12:11 -0700
Re: Truth Avoidance. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 09:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-09 21:12 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 14:31 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Horace <skinnydude@a1c.org> - 2018-06-09 18:41 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 15:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:36 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 16:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:56 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Bill (not Jillians) DOW #3" <noemail@none.not> - 2018-06-09 20:06 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-06-12 00:11 +0100
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 17:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 17:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-09 20:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 23:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-10 08:36 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 11:53 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 00:16 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 12:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:20 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:43 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:33 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:05 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:06 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:11 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:17 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-06 19:03 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-07 05:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-07 22:05 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:15 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:05 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:49 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 18:45 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 16:46 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:04 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:23 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 17:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:52 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-07 15:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-07 16:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:18 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-08 08:14 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-08 11:55 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 23:07 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 20:50 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:00 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:12 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:07 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 17:38 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 17:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-05 22:45 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-06 04:18 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 15:05 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 16:59 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-08 07:17 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 17:10 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2018-06-05 18:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-05 20:36 -0500
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-05 18:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 09:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 07:39 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 13:29 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 11:09 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-01 17:20 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 14:35 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-01 23:08 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-01 23:15 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 11:26 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 11:42 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 14:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:37 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 00:47 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 17:57 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 19:04 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 18:30 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-02 18:51 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2018-06-02 19:32 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-02 19:00 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> - 2018-06-05 00:09 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:12 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 22:32 +0000
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:59 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 15:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:24 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:01 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 19:51 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 16:56 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 20:21 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 17:24 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2018-06-03 23:36 -0400
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Skeeter DoW #420 <fnvw@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-03 18:53 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:14 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-03 20:28 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Just Wondering <JustWondering@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:58 -0600
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 21:02 -0700
Re: Slaughtering concert goers. !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> - 2018-06-04 23:17 -0500
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 08:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <perq4u$smq$2@dont-email.me> |
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In news:fnao4dF5v5mU1@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 5/31/18 9:06 AM, benj wrote: >> On 5/31/2018 8:22 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>> " My armed guards aren't killing children " -- Chelsea Handler >>> The " well regulated militia ", envisioned in the constitution, >>> did not include depressed gunmen in Las Vegas Hotel rooms >>> slaughtering concert goers. >> it certainly did however envision citizens defending the country AND >> themselves from armed nutjobs foreign or domestic. You don't have to >> sign up for the military to know that this is an oath of duty on >> every citizen. And that certainly includes YOU, Rolf. > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html> > OR <https://goo.gl/N9wtKB> > ----- > A search of Brigham Young University's new online Corpus of Founding Era > American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, > yields 281 instances of the phrase "bear arms." BYU's Corpus of Early > Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows > 1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, > that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of "bear arms" in the 17th > and 18th centuries, and only a handful don't refer to war, soldiering or > organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural > meaning of "bear arms" in the framers' day was military. But we > shouldn't need big data to tell us this. "Bear arms" has never worked > comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or > target practice. > ----- > The NRA twists the meaning... and the SCOTUS did, too, in 2008. Yeah, right. Ignore the writings of the Founding Fathers themselves, and look at other writers for the meaning of the Founders. "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." --Richard Henry Lee "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" --Patrick Henry "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." --St. George Tucker "(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by force of arms, their rights, when invaded." --Roger Sherman "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas Jefferson "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." --Thomas Jefferson
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 09:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnd9eaFkoo8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #170064 |
On 6/1/18 8:50 AM, max headroom wrote: > In news:fnao4dF5v5mU1@mid.individual.net, > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > >> On 5/31/18 9:06 AM, benj wrote: >>> On 5/31/2018 8:22 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > >>>>> " My armed guards aren't killing children " -- Chelsea Handler > >>>> The " well regulated militia ", envisioned in the constitution, >>>> did not include depressed gunmen in Las Vegas Hotel rooms >>>> slaughtering concert goers. > >>> it certainly did however envision citizens defending the country AND >>> themselves from armed nutjobs foreign or domestic. You don't have to >>> sign up for the military to know that this is an oath of duty on >>> every citizen. And that certainly includes YOU, Rolf. > >> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html> >> OR <https://goo.gl/N9wtKB> >> ----- >> A search of Brigham Young University's new online Corpus of Founding Era >> American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, >> yields 281 instances of the phrase "bear arms." BYU's Corpus of Early >> Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows >> 1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, >> that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of "bear arms" in the 17th >> and 18th centuries, and only a handful don't refer to war, soldiering or >> organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural >> meaning of "bear arms" in the framers' day was military. But we >> shouldn't need big data to tell us this. "Bear arms" has never worked >> comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or >> target practice. >> ----- > >> The NRA twists the meaning... and the SCOTUS did, too, in 2008. > > Yeah, right. Seems so. > Ignore the writings of the Founding Fathers themselves, and look at other writers for > the meaning of the Founders. I disagree. > "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be > taught alike especially when young, how to use them." --Richard Henry Lee You left out half the quote... where he speaks of how this body of men should be a part of the militia! And, of note, the phrase "bear arms" -- the one in question -- is not used. > "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with > arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our > direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of > having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as > in our own hands?" --Patrick Henry Neither the term "militia" nor the phrase "bear arms" is used. > "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.. The right of self defense is the first > law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the > narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep > and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already > annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." --St. George Tucker Ah, the use of "bear arms". Excellent. This is a good discussion of his views: <http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1231&context=wmlr> OR <https://goo.gl/5WukkV> Looking at his actual views he was speaking of -- you guessed it -- state rights. You can pull the quote of his out of context and try to put an NRA-type twist on it but that does not fit his actual words. We can look at other quotes you find, robbed of their context, and I am sure find much the same. Excellent discussion! > "(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear > arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular > States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by force of arms, their > rights, when invaded." --Roger Sherman > > "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are > neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and > better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed > man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas Jefferson > > "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." --Thomas Jefferson > > -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 22:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <petbh1$ah9$6@dont-email.me> |
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In news:fnd9eaFkoo8U1@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/1/18 8:50 AM, max headroom wrote: >> In news:fnao4dF5v5mU1@mid.individual.net, >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: >>> On 5/31/18 9:06 AM, benj wrote: >>>> On 5/31/2018 8:22 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>>>> " My armed guards aren't killing children " -- Chelsea Handler >>>>> The " well regulated militia ", envisioned in the constitution, >>>>> did not include depressed gunmen in Las Vegas Hotel rooms >>>>> slaughtering concert goers. >>>> it certainly did however envision citizens defending the country >>>> AND themselves from armed nutjobs foreign or domestic. You don't >>>> have to sign up for the military to know that this is an oath of >>>> duty on every citizen. And that certainly includes YOU, Rolf. >>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html> >>> OR <https://goo.gl/N9wtKB> >>> ----- >>> A search of Brigham Young University's new online Corpus of >>> Founding Era American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 >>> million words, yields 281 instances of the phrase "bear arms." >>> BYU's Corpus of Early Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close >>> to 1.3 billion words, shows 1,572 instances of the phrase. >>> Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, that leaves about 1,500 >>> separate occurrences of "bear arms" in the 17th and 18th centuries, >>> and only a handful don't refer to war, soldiering or organized, >>> armed action. These databases confirm that the natural meaning of >>> "bear arms" in the framers' day was military. But we shouldn't need >>> big data to tell us this. "Bear arms" has never worked comfortably >>> with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or target >>> practice. ----- >>> The NRA twists the meaning... and the SCOTUS did, too, in 2008. >> Yeah, right. > Seems so. Seems not. The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms" and it does work comfortably with the language of personal self-defense. >> Ignore the writings of the Founding Fathers themselves, and look at other writers for >> the meaning of the Founders. > I disagree. Then why did you do it? >> "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people >> always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how >> to use them." --Richard Henry Lee > You left out half the quote... where he speaks of how this body of men > should be a part of the militia! And, of note, the phrase "bear arms" > -- the one in question -- is not used. The phrase isn't, but the meaning "keep and bear arms" is clearly there. >> "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation >> that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the >> difference between having our arms in possession and under our >> direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our >> defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can >> they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in >> our own hands?" --Patrick Henry > Neither the term "militia" nor the phrase "bear arms" is used. The phrase isn't, but the meaning "keep and bear arms" is clearly there. >> "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.. The right >> of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it >> has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the >> narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and >> the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or >> pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, >> is on the brink of destruction." --St. George Tucker > Ah, the use of "bear arms". Excellent. This is a good discussion of his > views: > <http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1231&context=wmlr> > OR <https://goo.gl/5WukkV> > Looking at his actual views he was speaking of -- you guessed it -- > state rights. You can pull the quote of his out of context and try to > put an NRA-type twist on it but that does not fit his actual words. His actual words are "keep and bear arms." As Roger Sherman noted below, "[t]he particular States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed,..." > We can look at other quotes you find, robbed of their context, and I am > sure find much the same. > Excellent discussion! Of course! >> "(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his >> most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon >> his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, >> like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by >> force of arms, their rights, when invaded." --Roger Sherman [crickets] >> "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a >> nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor >> determined to commit crimes.. Such laws make things worse for the >> assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to >> encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be >> attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas >> Jefferson [crickets] >> "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." --Thomas >> Jefferson [crickets]
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 23:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fneqscFtdvgU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #170280 |
On 6/1/18 10:53 PM, max headroom wrote: > In news:fnd9eaFkoo8U1@mid.individual.net, > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > >> On 6/1/18 8:50 AM, max headroom wrote: >>> In news:fnao4dF5v5mU1@mid.individual.net, >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: >>>> On 5/31/18 9:06 AM, benj wrote: >>>>> On 5/31/2018 8:22 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > >>>>>>> " My armed guards aren't killing children " -- Chelsea Handler > >>>>>> The " well regulated militia ", envisioned in the constitution, >>>>>> did not include depressed gunmen in Las Vegas Hotel rooms >>>>>> slaughtering concert goers. > >>>>> it certainly did however envision citizens defending the country >>>>> AND themselves from armed nutjobs foreign or domestic. You don't >>>>> have to sign up for the military to know that this is an oath of >>>>> duty on every citizen. And that certainly includes YOU, Rolf. > >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html> >>>> OR <https://goo.gl/N9wtKB> >>>> ----- >>>> A search of Brigham Young University's new online Corpus of >>>> Founding Era American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 >>>> million words, yields 281 instances of the phrase "bear arms." >>>> BYU's Corpus of Early Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close >>>> to 1.3 billion words, shows 1,572 instances of the phrase. >>>> Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, that leaves about 1,500 >>>> separate occurrences of "bear arms" in the 17th and 18th centuries, >>>> and only a handful don't refer to war, soldiering or organized, >>>> armed action. These databases confirm that the natural meaning of >>>> "bear arms" in the framers' day was military. But we shouldn't need >>>> big data to tell us this. "Bear arms" has never worked comfortably >>>> with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or target >>>> practice. ----- > >>>> The NRA twists the meaning... and the SCOTUS did, too, in 2008. > >>> Yeah, right. > >> Seems so. > > Seems not. The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms" and it does work comfortably with the language > of personal self-defense. > >>> Ignore the writings of the Founding Fathers themselves, and look at other writers for >>> the meaning of the Founders. > >> I disagree. > > Then why did you do it? > >>> "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people >>> always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how >>> to use them." --Richard Henry Lee > >> You left out half the quote... where he speaks of how this body of men >> should be a part of the militia! And, of note, the phrase "bear arms" >> -- the one in question -- is not used. > > The phrase isn't, but the meaning "keep and bear arms" is clearly there. > >>> "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation >>> that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the >>> difference between having our arms in possession and under our >>> direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our >>> defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can >>> they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in >>> our own hands?" --Patrick Henry > >> Neither the term "militia" nor the phrase "bear arms" is used. > > The phrase isn't, but the meaning "keep and bear arms" is clearly there. > >>> "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.. The right >>> of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it >>> has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the >>> narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and >>> the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or >>> pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, >>> is on the brink of destruction." --St. George Tucker > >> Ah, the use of "bear arms". Excellent. This is a good discussion of his >> views: > >> <http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1231&context=wmlr> >> OR <https://goo.gl/5WukkV> > >> Looking at his actual views he was speaking of -- you guessed it -- >> state rights. You can pull the quote of his out of context and try to >> put an NRA-type twist on it but that does not fit his actual words. > > His actual words are "keep and bear arms." As Roger Sherman noted below, "[t]he particular States, > like private citizens, have a right to be armed,..." > >> We can look at other quotes you find, robbed of their context, and I am >> sure find much the same. > >> Excellent discussion! > > Of course! > >>> "(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his >>> most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon >>> his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, >>> like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by >>> force of arms, their rights, when invaded." --Roger Sherman > > > > [crickets] > > > >>> "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a >>> nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor >>> determined to commit crimes.. Such laws make things worse for the >>> assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to >>> encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be >>> attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas >>> Jefferson > > > > [crickets] > > > >>> "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." --Thomas >>> Jefferson > > > > [crickets] > > Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html ----- A search of Brigham Young University’s new online Corpus of Founding Era American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, yields 281 instances of the phrase “bear arms.” BYU’s Corpus of Early Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows 1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of “bear arms” in the 17th and 18th centuries, and only a handful don’t refer to war, soldiering or organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural meaning of “bear arms” in the framers’ day was military. But we shouldn’t need big data to tell us this. “Bear arms” has never worked comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or target practice. ----- -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 23:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pete3i$mrn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #170296 |
In news:fneqscFtdvgU5@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/1/18 10:53 PM, max headroom wrote: >> In news:fnd9eaFkoo8U1@mid.individual.net, >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: >>> On 6/1/18 8:50 AM, max headroom wrote: >>>> In news:fnao4dF5v5mU1@mid.individual.net, >>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: >>>>> On 5/31/18 9:06 AM, benj wrote: >>>>>> On 5/31/2018 8:22 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>>>>>>> " My armed guards aren't killing children " -- Chelsea Handler >>>>>>> The " well regulated militia ", envisioned in the constitution, >>>>>>> did not include depressed gunmen in Las Vegas Hotel rooms >>>>>>> slaughtering concert goers. >>>>>> it certainly did however envision citizens defending the country >>>>>> AND themselves from armed nutjobs foreign or domestic. You don't >>>>>> have to sign up for the military to know that this is an oath of >>>>>> duty on every citizen. And that certainly includes YOU, Rolf. >>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html> >>>>> OR <https://goo.gl/N9wtKB> >>>>> ----- >>>>> A search of Brigham Young University's new online Corpus of >>>>> Founding Era American English, with more than 95,000 texts and >>>>> 138 million words, yields 281 instances of the phrase "bear arms." >>>>> BYU's Corpus of Early Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close >>>>> to 1.3 billion words, shows 1,572 instances of the phrase. >>>>> Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, that leaves about 1,500 >>>>> separate occurrences of "bear arms" in the 17th and 18th >>>>> centuries, and only a handful don't refer to war, soldiering or >>>>> organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural >>>>> meaning of "bear arms" in the framers' day was military. But we >>>>> shouldn't need big data to tell us this. "Bear arms" has never >>>>> worked comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, >>>>> hunting or target practice. ----- >>>>> The NRA twists the meaning... and the SCOTUS did, too, in 2008. >>>> Yeah, right. >>> Seems so. >> Seems not. The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms" and it does >> work comfortably with the language of personal self-defense. >>>> Ignore the writings of the Founding Fathers themselves, and look >>>> at other writers for the meaning of the Founders. >>> I disagree. >> Then why did you do it? >>>> "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people >>>> always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how >>>> to use them." --Richard Henry Lee >>> You left out half the quote... where he speaks of how this body of >>> men should be a part of the militia! And, of note, the phrase "bear >>> arms" -- the one in question -- is not used. >> The phrase isn't, but the meaning "keep and bear arms" is clearly >> there. >>>> "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation >>>> that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the >>>> difference between having our arms in possession and under our >>>> direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our >>>> defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can >>>> they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in >>>> our own hands?" --Patrick Henry >>> Neither the term "militia" nor the phrase "bear arms" is used. >> The phrase isn't, but the meaning "keep and bear arms" is clearly >> there. >>>> "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.. The >>>> right >>>> of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it >>>> has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the >>>> narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, >>>> and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color >>>> or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, >>>> is on the brink of destruction." --St. George Tucker >>> Ah, the use of "bear arms". Excellent. This is a good discussion of >>> his views: >>> <http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1231&context=wmlr> >>> OR <https://goo.gl/5WukkV> >>> Looking at his actual views he was speaking of -- you guessed it -- >>> state rights. You can pull the quote of his out of context and try >>> to put an NRA-type twist on it but that does not fit his actual >>> words. >> His actual words are "keep and bear arms." As Roger Sherman noted >> below, "[t]he particular States, like private citizens, have a right >> to be armed,..." >>> We can look at other quotes you find, robbed of their context, and >>> I am sure find much the same. >>> Excellent discussion! >> Of course! >>>> "(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his >>>> most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon >>>> his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, >>>> like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by >>>> force of arms, their rights, when invaded." --Roger Sherman >> [crickets] >>>> "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a >>>> nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor >>>> determined to commit crimes.. Such laws make things worse for the >>>> assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to >>>> encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be >>>> attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas >>>> Jefferson >> [crickets] >>>> "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." --Thomas >>>> Jefferson >> [crickets] > Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html I just did. If you want to know what the Founding Fathers meant, read *their* words.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 00:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fneuimFu37vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #170302 |
On 6/1/18 11:39 PM, max headroom wrote: > >> Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html > I just did. > > If you want to know what the Founding Fathers meant, read*their* words. When did the founding fathers use the words "bear arms" except in the constitution? Let me guess: You will now quote them saying things OTHER than that. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 11:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <peunr6$gka$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #170307 |
In news:fneuimFu37vU1@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/1/18 11:39 PM, max headroom wrote: >>> Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: Yeah, right. Trot out an opinion piece printed in a liberal newspaper, written by an author of an amicus curiae brief submitted to the Supremes in the Heller case, which didn't sway the majority. Ya think there might be a bit of bias here, or just sour grapes? >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html >> I just did. >> If you want to know what the Founding Fathers meant, read *their* words. > When did the founding fathers use the words "bear arms" except in the constitution? The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." > Let me guess: You will now quote them saying things OTHER than that. No. I'll provide a link. http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=255
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 11:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fng6quF774pU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #170481 |
On 6/2/18 11:29 AM, max headroom wrote: > In news:fneuimFu37vU1@mid.individual.net, > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > >> On 6/1/18 11:39 PM, max headroom wrote: > >>>> Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: > > Yeah, right. Trot out an opinion piece printed in a liberal newspaper, written by an author of an > amicus curiae brief submitted to the Supremes in the Heller case, which didn't sway the majority. Ya > think there might be a bit of bias here, or just sour grapes? > >>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html > >>> I just did. > >>> If you want to know what the Founding Fathers meant, read *their* words. > >> When did the founding fathers use the words "bear arms" except in the constitution? > > The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." > >> Let me guess: You will now quote them saying things OTHER than that. > > No. I'll provide a link. > > http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=255 > > You call research on the actual meaning of "bear arms" something which is liberal. Facts, you suggest, are liberal. The meaning of words is, to you, liberal. That is a fine example of the twisting those who push for special entitlements will go through. Thank you for that example -- it backs my point well. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pev2mb$mdg$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #170487 |
In news:fng6quF774pU2@mid.individual.net, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > On 6/2/18 11:29 AM, max headroom wrote: >> In news:fneuimFu37vU1@mid.individual.net, >> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: >>> On 6/1/18 11:39 PM, max headroom wrote: >>>>> Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: >> Yeah, right. Trot out an opinion piece printed in a liberal >> newspaper, written by an author of an amicus curiae brief submitted >> to the Supremes in the Heller case, which didn't sway the majority. >> Ya think there might be a bit of bias here, or just sour grapes? >>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html >>>> I just did. >>>> If you want to know what the Founding Fathers meant, read *their* >>>> words. >>> When did the founding fathers use the words "bear arms" except in >>> the constitution? >> The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." >>> Let me guess: You will now quote them saying things OTHER than that. >> No. I'll provide a link. >> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=255 > You call research on the actual meaning of "bear arms" something which is liberal. > Facts, you suggest, are liberal. The meaning of words is, to you, liberal. > > That is a fine example of the twisting those who push for special entitlements will go through. > Thank you for that example -- it backs my point well. Your point is that your reading comprehension sucks. I referred to the Washington Post as liberal. The rest are your straw men. You dance with them. I won't.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-02 16:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5yDQC.264252$ll2.146825@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #170481 |
On 6/2/2018 2:29 PM, max headroom wrote: > In news:fneuimFu37vU1@mid.individual.net, > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> typed: > >> On 6/1/18 11:39 PM, max headroom wrote: > >>>> Here is what you seem to want to refute but cannot: > > Yeah, right. Trot out an opinion piece printed in a liberal newspaper, written by an author of an > amicus curiae brief submitted to the Supremes in the Heller case, which didn't sway the majority. Ya > think there might be a bit of bias here, or just sour grapes? > >>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html > >>> I just did. > >>> If you want to know what the Founding Fathers meant, read *their* words. > >> When did the founding fathers use the words "bear arms" except in the constitution? > > The correct phrase is "keep and bear arms." > >> Let me guess: You will now quote them saying things OTHER than that. > > No. I'll provide a link. > > http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=255 > > Snit gets major "comeupance" (for pretending biased amicus is "proof") and then: SMACKDOWN! with true research showing bias and errors in previous arguments. Truth = 1 Snit = 0
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| From | !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-31 19:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jb51hd5ujv1rc6f3qhu1coe49q8crhj1um@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #169806 |
x-no-idiots: yes On Thu, 31 May 2018 05:22:39 -0700 (Seattle), in talk.politics.guns Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote: >The " well regulated militia ", envisioned in the constitution, >did not include depressed gunmen in Las Vegas Hotel rooms >slaughtering concert goers. Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article six of our Document of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. The second amendment never redefined a "well regulated militia"; therefore, the existing definition at the time holds. The salient part reads: "[Every] State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage." Where are the arms kept? I assume that a "filed piece" means a "field piece" or light artillery? But the arms are to be kept "in public stores". It wasn't about a clock that keeps good time. Jones -- Quod si non verum est, non dicere est.
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| From | Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-31 17:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c361hddj2rp9597q2a5epi9jvi4nlmc8ji@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #169944 |
On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. Holy SHIT you're stupid. Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-31 21:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnc06pFctrvU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #169945 |
On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: > >> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. > > Holy SHIT you're stupid. > > Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. > But the second amendment has not... and only in 2008, through the Heller case, was the meaning of it changed. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 02:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <peqri7$ofh$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #169978 |
"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message news:fnc06pFctrvU3@mid.individual.net... > On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >> >>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. >>> Article >>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >> >> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >> >> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >> > But the second amendment has not... and only in 2008, through the Heller > case, was the meaning of it changed. So tell us, how do you think it should be read? Can you support your position as well as SCOTUS did in it's ruling? Can you show a multitude of relevant cites from the time in which it is made abundantly clear that SCOTUS got it right in Heller?
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 07:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnd56cFjtctU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #169997 |
On 5/31/18 11:39 PM, Scout wrote: > > > "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message > news:fnc06pFctrvU3@mid.individual.net... >> On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. >>>> Article >>>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >>> >>> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >>> >>> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >>> >> But the second amendment has not... and only in 2008, through the >> Heller case, was the meaning of it changed. > > So tell us, how do you think it should be read? As written. Here is some scholarly view on it: 1) https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview | First, the second amendment was passed as an | assurance to the states that they would have the | right to maintain their own militias. Such | militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the | nation's military power, as an alternative to a | large standing army, as a tool for the states to | ensure public order, and as a means for the states | to defend against the encroachment of federal | power. | | Second, the second amendment does not operate as a | restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the | federal government. | | Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for | the claim that the second amendment guarantees an | individual right to have arms for any purpose other | than participation in a state-regulated militia. | | Fourth, as long as federal gun laws do not adversely | affect the organized state militias, these laws should | encounter no second amendment problems. | | Fifth, because the state militias no longer rely on | the use of privately-owned firearms by their active | members, federal regulation of private gun ownership | poses no threat to state militias, and therefore | raises no constitutional issue. This is demonstrated | by the remarkable unanimity of federal and state | courts in upholding the constitutional validity of | firearms laws against second amendment challenges. 2) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1105369 | This article argues that the second amendment was | initially proposed and passed in response to some | antifederalist fears of a standing army. The | thrust of the Amendment was to prevent the | national government from disarming the state | militias. Similarly, the Amendment allowed the | states to arm their own militias if Congress | failed to do so under its Article I, Section 8 | powers. The article notes that Madison and other | Federalists who wrote the Second Amendment were | fully aware of demands for an amendment to protect | an individual's right to own weapons, and that the | framers of the Second Amendment emphatically | rejected this concept. 3) https://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Research/Reviews/rwstand.htm | The contemporary meaning of the Second Amendment | is the same as it was at the time of its adoption. | The federal government may regulate the National | Guard, but may not disarm it against the will of | state legislatures. Nothing in the Second | Amendment, however, precludes Congress or the | states from requiring licensing and registration | of firearms; in fact, there is nothing to stop an | outright congressional ban on private ownership of | all handguns and all rifles. 4) http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114 | Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason | to believe that, in significant part, James | Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his | constituents in Virginia, and the South generally, | that Congress could not use its newly-acquired | powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by | disarming the militia, on which the South relied | for slave control. To add to that, we also have evidence in the actual way the terms "bear arms" and "militia" were used (already discussed) and we have early gun laws: http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4021&context=flr | A variety of laws regulating firearms were already | in place during the Founding Era. Militia | regulations were the most common form of laws | pertaining to firearms. Such laws could be quite | intrusive, allowing government not only to keep | track of who had firearms, but requiring them to | report for a muster or face stiff penalties. | Regulations governing the storage of gun powder | were also common. States prohibited the use of | firearms on certain occasions and in certain | locations. A variety of race-based exclusions | disarmed slaves, and in some cases, free blacks. | Loyalty oaths also disarmed portions of the | population during the Founding Era. ... | Eighteenth-century statutes regulating the use of | firearms can be classified as follows: statutes | providing for the confiscation of firearms from | persons unwilling to take an oath of allegiance to | the state, statutes regulating the use of firearms | within the context of militia obligations, and | statutes regulating the storage of gunpowder. A | smaller number of laws also regulated hunting and | the discharge of firearms in certain places. These | statutes make clear that regulation of firearms is | hardly a modern invention. > Can you support your position as well as SCOTUS did in it's ruling? > > Can you show a multitude of relevant cites from the time in which it is > made abundantly clear that SCOTUS got it right in Heller? Even in Heller, where the meaning of the Second Amendment was altered by judicial activism, it does not suggest that the modern NRA view is correct. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html It is about "the licensing requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying an unlicensed firearm in the home, and the trigger-lock requirement insofar as it prohibits the use of functional firearms in the home." It is about having a common handgun in your home, not about carrying one around, no less other arms. It even specifically speaks of acceptance of "limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes". It also notes that "the Second Amendment right is not unlimited" and specifically states "It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" and that this does not mean we cannot have "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms" and it "finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons". -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Scout" <me4guns@removethis.this2.spam.centurylink.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 20:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <peso6q$obr$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #170056 |
"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message news:fnd56cFjtctU2@mid.individual.net... > On 5/31/18 11:39 PM, Scout wrote: >> >> >> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message >> news:fnc06pFctrvU3@mid.individual.net... >>> On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>>>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. >>>>> Article >>>>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >>>> >>>> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >>>> >>>> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >>>> >>> But the second amendment has not... and only in 2008, through the Heller >>> case, was the meaning of it changed. >> >> So tell us, how do you think it should be read? > > As written. Here is some scholarly view on it: > > 1) > https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2792&context=lawreview > > | First, the second amendment was passed as an > | assurance to the states that they would have the > | right to maintain their own militias. Such > | militias were to be used as the centerpiece of the > | nation's military power, as an alternative to a > | large standing army, as a tool for the states to > | ensure public order, and as a means for the states > | to defend against the encroachment of federal > | power. > | > | Second, the second amendment does not operate as a > | restraint on the states. It acts as a restraint on the > | federal government. > | > | Third, there is no substantial historical evidence for > | the claim that the second amendment guarantees an > | individual right to have arms for any purpose other > | than participation in a state-regulated militia. At this point you lose because there is substantial historical evidence that the 2nd does exactly that. I could post a bunch of period quotes proving that, but you don't really want to see them, do you? Oh, and tell me....HOW exactly is the state suppose to form this well regulated militia when the people they call upon don't have any arms to appear with? Do you suppose an unarmed mob is what they had in mind when they spoke of a well regulated militia? So exactly where do these arms for the militia come from??
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| From | Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 03:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <h872hdhl1cncapai5vqdi98buh671s4vas@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #169978 |
On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:26:01 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >> >>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >> >> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >> >> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >> >But the second amendment has not.. He's babbling about "Document [sic] of Confederation" and claims it was "never repealed."
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 07:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnd4j3Fjq6gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #170008 |
On 6/1/18 3:21 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: > On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:26:01 -0700, Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >>>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >>> >>> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >>> >>> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >>> >> But the second amendment has not.. > > > He's babbling about "Document [sic] of Confederation" and claims it > was "never repealed." > It is not current law, of course, but the language it uses, and the way it describes a militia, is enlightening. "... every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage." -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 08:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6do2hd5r2qhecatrtqfo403pju3prjdrg5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #170049 |
On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 07:46:59 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >On 6/1/18 3:21 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >> On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:26:01 -0700, Snit >> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>> On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>>>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >>>>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >>>> >>>> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >>>> >>>> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >>>> >>> But the second amendment has not.. >> >> >> He's babbling about "Document [sic] of Confederation" and claims it >> was "never repealed." >> >It is not current law, of course, but the language it uses, and the way >it describes a militia, is enlightening. Well, it doesn't "describe" a militia, actually. No vessel of war shall be kept up in time of peace by any State, except such number only, as shall be deemed necessary by the United States in Congress assembled, for the defense of such State, or its trade; nor shall any body of forces be kept up by any State in time of peace, except such number only, as in the judgement of the United States in Congress assembled, shall be deemed requisite to garrison the forts necessary for the defense of such State; but every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 08:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fnd6unFk8seU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #170059 |
On 6/1/18 8:12 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 07:46:59 -0700, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> > wrote: > >> On 6/1/18 3:21 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:26:01 -0700, Snit >>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones <jones@fobahor.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>>>>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >>>>>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >>>>> >>>>> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >>>>> >>>>> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >>>>> >>>> But the second amendment has not.. >>> >>> >>> He's babbling about "Document [sic] of Confederation" and claims it >>> was "never repealed." >>> >> It is not current law, of course, but the language it uses, and the way >> it describes a militia, is enlightening. > > Well, it doesn't "describe" a militia, actually. > > No vessel of war shall be kept up in time of peace by any State, > except such number only, as shall be deemed necessary by the United > States in Congress assembled, for the defense of such State, or its > trade; nor shall any body of forces be kept up by any State in time of > peace, except such number only, as in the judgement of the United > States in Congress assembled, shall be deemed requisite to garrison > the forts necessary for the defense of such State; but every State > shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, > sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly > have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and > tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage. It describes the expectations of one, both you and I have quoted. Now one might say all of what it said is not required... but the second amendment makes no suggestion of anything otherwise. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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