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FAITH

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-06-17 00:33 -0700
Last post2016-06-21 14:06 -0400
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  FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700
    Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 11:47 +0000
      Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400
        Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:23 -0700
          Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:33 -0400
            Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:41 -0700
              Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400
                Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:36 -0500
                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 18:26 -0700
                  Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:17 -0400
                    Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:42 -0700
                      Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:47 -0400
                        Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700
                          Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400
                            Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700
                              Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 09:48 -0400
                                Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700
                                Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:01 -0700
                                  Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:08 -0400
                                    Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 18:21 -0600
                                      Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:38 -0400
                                        Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 21:11 -0600
                                          Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:03 -0400
                                        Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
                                          Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:06 -0400
                                            Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:53 -0700
                                              Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:57 -0400
                                      Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
                                        Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 20:24 -0700
                                          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:14 -0700
                                            Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-19 08:37 +0100
                                            Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 01:47 -0700
                                            Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:57 -0700
                                              Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:04 -0700
                                                Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:02 -0700
                                                  Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 22:07 -0700
                                              Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:58 -0700
                                                Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:59 -0700
                                          Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 01:40 -0700
                                          Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:50 -0700
                                        Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:11 -0400
                                          Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:57 -0700
                                            Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:03 -0400
                                              Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 01:03 -0700
                                    Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:03 -0700
                                    Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:15 -0700
                                      Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:25 -0400
                                        Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:58 -0700
                                          Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:05 -0400
                                  Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:33 -0700
                                    Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:10 -0700
                                      Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
                                Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:50 -0700
                            Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:46 -0700
              Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-17 13:54 -0500
                Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 03:16 -0700
                  Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 13:02 +0000
              Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 19:46 +0000
            Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0500
            Re: FAITH Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-06-17 23:28 -0400
        Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 05:36 -0700
        Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
      Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
        Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
          Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
        Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 03:18 -0700
          Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:07 -0700
            Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-19 12:29 -0500
              Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-19 12:49 -0500
              Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-19 23:46 +0000
        Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:30 -0700
          Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 09:19 -0700
            Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-19 12:30 -0500
              Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:45 -0700
                Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-21 12:54 -0500
                  Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 11:25 -0700
    Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 05:34 -0700
    Re: FAITH Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
      Re: FAITH djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
    Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
      Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:31 -0700
    Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 13:36 -0700
      Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 09:21 -0700
        Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 10:54 -0700
          Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 00:01 +0000
            Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 17:13 -0700
          Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:51 -0700
            Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:17 -0700
              Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 02:01 -0700
    Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 07:14 -0700
      Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:51 +0000
        Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-20 21:59 +0100
          Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 00:55 +0000
            Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-20 20:26 -0500
              Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:08 +0100
              Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:01 +0000
        Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700
          Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100
            Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700
              Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100
      Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400
        Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
          Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500
            Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700
          Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100
          Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700
    Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 11:09 -0700
      Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:55 +0000
        Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 18:16 -0700
          Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:04 +0000
            Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 05:10 -0700
              Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-21 22:00 -0400
              Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:56 -0700
            Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:54 -0700
              Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:58 +0100
                Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-22 12:29 +0000
    Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:06 -0400

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#2126660

Fromhhyapster@gmail.com
Date2016-06-17 05:36 -0700
Message-ID<bc8af5a8-ea0f-46f6-9af7-936d04cc7adf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2126646
On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 8:14:02 PM UTC+8, Wally W. wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote:
> 
> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence.
> 
> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that
> evidence might be found?

Idiot...science is based on evidence which is found before conclusion.  Nothing there needs faith...

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#2126713

Frombilgat@m.nu
Date2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
Message-ID<f168mbpuc8adfd7qi77qati7ooln0i1c5h@4ax.com>
In reply to#2126646
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:14:04 -0400, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote:
>
>>Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence.
>
>Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that
>evidence might be found? 


we can all have faith that you are intelligent, however until you
prove it you are still retarded

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#2126995

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
Message-ID<c4v8mb1mbpeqk64066ci75fp6a81mehq6j@4ax.com>
In reply to#2126642
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>
>> Faith
>> 
>> faith
>> 
>> 
>> noun: faith
>> 
>>     1.
>>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Like for example...
>> 
>> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>
>Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.

At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the faith.


the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2127126

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
Message-ID<nk2a5d$5cj$8@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#2126995
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:41:55 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>>> Faith
>>> 
>>> faith
>>> 
>>> noun: faith
>>> 
>>>     1.
>>>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>>> 
>>> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>>>
>>> Like for example...
>>> 
>>> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>>
>>Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> 
> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the faith.

Was that supposed to be English?

> the dukester, American-American
> 
> *****
> "Mass hysteria is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#2127487

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
Message-ID<risambd1s9qvpqa9vum07fnp2n2bhjiloe@4ax.com>
In reply to#2127126
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 02:03:25 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:41:55 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Faith
>>>> 
>>>> faith
>>>> 
>>>> noun: faith
>>>> 
>>>>     1.
>>>>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>>>>
>>>> Like for example...
>>>> 
>>>> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>>>
>>>Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
>> 
>> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
>
>Was that supposed to be English?

Yes, now.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2127295

Fromhypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
Date2016-06-18 03:18 -0700
Message-ID<826097e8-3001-4c87-b562-9b19f7f96d16@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2126995
On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> >> Faith
> >> 
> >> faith
> >> 
> >> 
> >> noun: faith
> >> 
> >>     1.
> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Like for example...
> >> 
> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> >
> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> 
> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
> 
Yes, churches kept people in abysmal ignorance for centuries.

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#2127692

FromCloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 17:07 -0700
Message-ID<3a433f54-5207-4a70-a4cf-d69b2ea0aaa8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2127295
On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:11:16 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Faith
> >> >> 
> >> >> faith
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> noun: faith
> >> >> 
> >> >>     1.
> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Like for example...
> >> >> 
> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> >> >
> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> >> 
> >> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
> >> 
> >Yes, churches kept people in abysmal ignorance for centuries.
> 
> And then about 2000 years, we received the New Testament.
> 

And things got worse for about 1000 more years.  Churches worked to keep the common folk common and illiterate so they would be the only ones to pass on God's word.  The made sure to cater to the wealthy since that's where the money was, unless some Pope decided to have his own army to deploy to plunder other countries or new world territories.  Such a glorious history.  Look how they treated people like John Wycliffe or anybody who wanted to translate the Bible into anything other than ancient Greek, Latin or Hebrew.  Look at how the church used the concept of Indulgences, or the Knights Templar, or Joan or Arc, or Galileo.  You Catholics must be so proud.  And it still goes on today, you make saints out of people who deliberately let people suffer rather than give them paid med and preached against birth control to keep from having addicted or HIV infected babies.   

> the dukester, American-Pedophile Priest Apologist
> *****

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#2128107

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-06-19 12:29 -0500
Message-ID<37ldmbhaaqus54t8r8nflp7e3foi15figq@4ax.com>
In reply to#2127692
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:11:16 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> noun: faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     1.
>> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Like for example...
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
>> >> 
>> >> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
>> >> 
>> >Yes, churches kept people in abysmal ignorance for centuries.
>> 
>> And then about 2000 years, we received the New Testament.

>And things got worse for about 1000 more years.  Churches worked to keep the common
> folk common and illiterate so they would be the only ones to pass on God's word.

How so?  Man couldn't read or write.  It's only been in the last few hundred
years the average man could read or write.  

>  The made sure to cater to the wealthy since that's where the money was, unless some Pope decided to have his own
 army to deploy to plunder other countries or new world territories.  Such a
glorious history.  Look how they treated people like John Wycliffe or anybody
who wanted to translate the Bible into anything other than ancient Greek, Latin
or Hebrew. 

> Look at how the church used the concept of Indulgences, or the Knights Templar, or Joan or Arc, or Galileo.

What do you know about indulgences, Joan or Galileo?

>  You Catholics must be so proud.  And it still goes on today, you make saints out of people who deliberately let people suffer
> rather than give them paid med and preached against birth control to keep from having addicted or HIV infected babies.   

Paid meds???  Haahaahaa.  What the hell are you talking about.

And birth control is man taking artificial steps to block God's design for the
sake of fun in the rack..

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2128122

FromMitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net>
Date2016-06-19 12:49 -0500
Message-ID<XnsA62C827682A3Fnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131>
In reply to#2128107
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:37ldmbhaaqus54t8r8nflp7e3foi15figq@4ax.com: 

> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:11:16 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
>>> <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> >> wrote: 
>>> >> 
>>> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> noun: faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>     1.
>>> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Like for example...
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
>>> >> 
>>> >> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the
>>> >> faith. 
>>> >> 
>>> >Yes, churches kept people in abysmal ignorance for centuries.
>>> 
>>> And then about 2000 years, we received the New Testament.
> 
>>And things got worse for about 1000 more years.  Churches worked to
>>keep the common 
>> folk common and illiterate so they would be the only ones to pass on
>> God's word. 
> 
> How so?  Man couldn't read or write.  It's only been in the last few
> hundred years the average man could read or write.  
> 

     Baldface lie. Reading and writing go back to 
to at least 5000 years ago. Wasn't your fictional
Moses a scribe? 
 


>>  The made sure to cater to the wealthy since that's where the money
>>  was, unless some Pope decided to have his own 
>  army to deploy to plunder other countries or new world territories. 
>  Such a 
> glorious history.  Look how they treated people like John Wycliffe or
> anybody who wanted to translate the Bible into anything other than
> ancient Greek, Latin or Hebrew. 
> 
>> Look at how the church used the concept of Indulgences, or the
>> Knights Templar, or Joan or Arc, or Galileo. 
> 
> What do you know about indulgences, Joan or Galileo?
> 
>>  You Catholics must be so proud.  And it still goes on today, you
>>  make saints out of people who deliberately let people suffer 
>> rather than give them paid med and preached against birth control to
>> keep from having addicted or HIV infected babies.   
> 
> Paid meds???  Haahaahaa.  What the hell are you talking about.
> 
> And birth control is man taking artificial steps to block God's design
> for the sake of fun in the rack..


     All births are part of "god's design"?

     That includes all deaths as well. That IS
what you are saying.............



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#2128329

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-06-19 23:46 +0000
Message-ID<nk7asb$t3q$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#2128107
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 12:29:29 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
> <youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 9:11:16 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
>>> <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> noun: faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>     1.
>>> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Like for example...
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
>>> >> 
>>> >> At one time, it was faith only.  Not the evidence solidifies the
>>> >> faith.
>>> >> 
>>> >Yes, churches kept people in abysmal ignorance for centuries.
>>> 
>>> And then about 2000 years, we received the New Testament.
> 
>>And things got worse for about 1000 more years.  Churches worked to keep
>>the common
>> folk common and illiterate so they would be the only ones to pass on
>> God's word.
> 
> How so?  Man couldn't read or write.  It's only been in the last few
> hundred years the average man could read or write.
> 
>>  The made sure to cater to the wealthy since that's where the money
>>  was, unless some Pope decided to have his own
>  army to deploy to plunder other countries or new world territories. 
>  Such a
> glorious history.  Look how they treated people like John Wycliffe or
> anybody who wanted to translate the Bible into anything other than
> ancient Greek, Latin or Hebrew.
> 
>> Look at how the church used the concept of Indulgences, or the Knights
>> Templar, or Joan or Arc, or Galileo.
> 
> What do you know about indulgences, Joan or Galileo?
> 
>>  You Catholics must be so proud.  And it still goes on today, you make
>>  saints out of people who deliberately let people suffer
>> rather than give them paid med and preached against birth control to
>> keep from having addicted or HIV infected babies.
> 
> Paid meds???  Haahaahaa.  What the hell are you talking about.
> 
> And birth control is man taking artificial steps to block God's design
> for the sake of fun in the rack..

Are you into BDSM? "Fun in the rack" sounds very 'kinky' to me.

> *****
> "Masturbation is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****





-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#2127407

FromTim <cyfur12345@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 07:30 -0700
Message-ID<2b472dc7-8b23-4bb1-877f-1ba8928cde4c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2126995
On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> >> Faith
> >> 
> >> faith
> >> 
> >> 
> >> noun: faith
> >> 
> >>     1.
> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Like for example...
> >> 
> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> >
> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> 
> At one time, it was faith only. 

> Not the evidence solidifies the faith.

That solidifies your stupidity, fat bag fel.

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#2128041

FromTim <cyfur12345@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-19 09:19 -0700
Message-ID<f383735d-9160-4cad-b22e-a2f4d8af8c83@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2127407
On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Faith
> >> >> 
> >> >> faith
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> noun: faith
> >> >> 
> >> >>     1.
> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Like for example...
> >> >> 
> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> >> >
> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> >> 
> >> At one time, it was faith only. 
> >
> >> Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
> >
> >That solidifies your stupidity, fat bag fel.
> 
> How wide is a line, triangle?

Mathematically a line has no width, unlike you who has way too much width, you fat lying bastard. Triangles may exhibit an infinite number of widths, so you have something in common with them, i.e. a nearly infinite width and zero IQ.

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#2128108

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-06-19 12:30 -0500
Message-ID<1kldmb1b8bpk0g14sge5hf2decj54ha4ks@4ax.com>
In reply to#2128041
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> noun: faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>     1.
>> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Like for example...
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
>> >> 
>> >> At one time, it was faith only. 
>> >
>> >> Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
>> >
>> >That solidifies your stupidity, fat bag fel.
>> 
>> How wide is a line, triangle?
>
>Mathematically a line has no width, 

And thus neither do you.

>unlike you who has way too much width, you fat lying bastard. Triangles may exhibit an infinite number of widths, so you have something in common with them, i.e. a nearly infinite width and zero IQ.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2128740

FromTim <cyfur12345@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-20 11:45 -0700
Message-ID<b71c781f-8093-42b4-b57b-a797ce1bb273@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2128108
On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 1:30:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Faith
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> faith
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> noun: faith
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >>     1.
> >> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Like for example...
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> >> >> 
> >> >> At one time, it was faith only. 
> >> >
> >> >> Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
> >> >
> >> >That solidifies your stupidity, fat bag fel.
> >> 
> >> How wide is a line, triangle?
> >
> >Mathematically a line has no width, 
> 
> And thus neither do you.

You've got enough for everyone, you fat lying pig.

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#2129371

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-06-21 12:54 -0500
Message-ID<1pvimbh203grc2qu1guahcmm4e3q9krgbf@4ax.com>
In reply to#2128740
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 1:30:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Faith
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> faith
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> noun: faith
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>     1.
>> >> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Like for example...
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> At one time, it was faith only. 
>> >> >
>> >> >> Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
>> >> >
>> >> >That solidifies your stupidity, fat bag fel.
>> >> 
>> >> How wide is a line, triangle?
>> >
>> >Mathematically a line has no width, 
>> 
>> And thus neither do you.
>
>You've got enough for everyone, you fat lying pig.

If I was 2 lines, I'd have more than you.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2129391

FromTim <cyfur12345@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-21 11:25 -0700
Message-ID<5a3a29bd-82a5-489d-82e0-68b5455574bd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2129371
On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:54:19 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 1:30:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Faith
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> faith
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> noun: faith
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >>     1.
> >> >> >> >>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> Like for example...
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> At one time, it was faith only. 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Not the evidence solidifies the faith.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That solidifies your stupidity, fat bag fel.
> >> >> 
> >> >> How wide is a line, triangle?
> >> >
> >> >Mathematically a line has no width, 
> >> 
> >> And thus neither do you.
> >
> >You've got enough for everyone, you fat lying pig.
> 
> If I was 2 lines, I'd have more than you.

You're too fat to have any straight lines, fel. You have more than most, more fat that is.

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#2126659

Fromhhyapster@gmail.com
Date2016-06-17 05:34 -0700
Message-ID<48596110-359a-472c-ac49-533a6e648073@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2126582
On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 3:31:59 PM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Faith
> 
> faith
> 
> 
> noun: faith
> 
>     1.
>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> 
> 
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> 
> 
> 
> Like for example...
> 
> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> 
> Science have a complete trust, they are confident there is water on Mars.
> They just have to keep the faith, and keep looking. 
> 
> 
> Science has faith that there is Life on other planets somewhere in the universe.
> 
> 
> Science doesn't need evidence, they have ....Faith.
> 
> 
> Deep in the heart of all science is faith...science is based on faith.
> 
> 
> Religion too is based on faith.
> 
> 
> Faith in God? Sounds ...reasonable.

Moron...it is called believe in imagination or story from ancient times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#2127180

FromTed&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
Message-ID<VJ29z.2035$gr1.1061@fx10.iad>
In reply to#2126582
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Faith
> 
> faith
> 
> 
> noun: faith
> 
>     1.
>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> 
> 
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> 
> 
> 
> Like for example...
> 
> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> 
> Science have a complete trust, they are confident there is water on Mars.
> They just have to keep the faith, and keep looking. 
> 
> 
> Science has faith that there is Life on other planets somewhere in the universe.
> 
> 
> Science doesn't need evidence, they have ....Faith.
> 
> 
> Deep in the heart of all science is faith...science is based on faith.
> 
> 
> Religion too is based on faith.
> 
> 
> Faith in God? Sounds ...reasonable.

We have evidence rather than faith, e.g. you've just provided us ample
evidence that you're an idiot.

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#2127191

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
Message-ID<o8y695.1MC6@kithrup.com>
In reply to#2127180
In article <VJ29z.2035$gr1.1061@fx10.iad>,
Ted&Alice  <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> wrote:
>The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Faith
>> 
>> faith
>> 
>> 
>> noun: faith
>> 
>>     1.
>>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Like for example...
>> 
>> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
>> 
>> Science have a complete trust, they are confident there is water on Mars.
>> They just have to keep the faith, and keep looking. 
>> 
>> 
>> Science has faith that there is Life on other planets somewhere in the
>universe.
>> 
>> 
>> Science doesn't need evidence, they have ....Faith.
>> 
>> 
>> Deep in the heart of all science is faith...science is based on faith.
>> 
>> 
>> Religion too is based on faith.
>> 
>> 
>> Faith in God? Sounds ...reasonable.
>
>We have evidence rather than faith, e.g. you've just provided us ample
>evidence that you're an idiot.

well, be fair; sometimes we have hypotheses, which on the
presentation of evidence sometimes have to be discarded.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#2127562

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
Message-ID<5765A652.2D31@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#2126582
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Faith
> 
> faith
> 
> noun: faith
> 
>     1.
>     complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
> 
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
> 
> Like for example...
> 
> Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
> 
> Science have a complete trust, they are confident there is water on Mars.
> They just have to keep the faith, and keep looking.
> 
> Science has faith that there is Life on other planets somewhere in the universe.
> 
> Science doesn't need evidence, they have ....Faith.
> 
> Deep in the heart of all science is faith...science is based on faith.
> 
> Religion too is based on faith.
> 
> Faith in God? Sounds ...reasonable.


The science fiction people have Faith that aliens exist on other planets...otherwise how
could they come up with all those stupid books? Certaintly not based on any evidence...

And what about that stupid girl spending fifty years listening for flying saucers at S.E.T.I?


You have to have ...Faith.


Atheist have faith that there is no God...certaintly not based on evidence that they have. Based on faith, and faith alone.


The heart of Atheism is faith.

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