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| Started by | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| First post | 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 10:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 13:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-11 23:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 00:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-11 13:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 20:57 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 15:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 07:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-12 17:49 -0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 13:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. rja.carnegie@gmail.com - 2015-08-13 14:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 15:56 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 14:20 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:39 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 15:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. walksalone <spamstopper@nerdshack.com> - 2015-08-13 16:39 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:08 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-14 04:50 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-15 06:41 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:34 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-13 13:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-11 20:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:18 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-14 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-12 10:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 14:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1afssa5cv8p4o1ls821bfladu2u3gouen9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1960084 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:30:57 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >> In article <mqi4cj$v8l$2@dont-email.me>, >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >> >> Um, what definition is that? >> >> -- wds >> > >By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the world >of death. Those who live in fear of death involuntarily put themselves >under the rule of the devil only to be threatened and terrorized. In >reality, there is only God, and there is no devil. So people who live in >fear of death are only terrorizing themselves. Don't forget that hogwarts is ruled by dumbledorf or how ever you spell it
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 05:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8m1usa54nbvbimdsrtrs82hf9kao45egiu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1960084 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:30:57 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >> In article <mqi4cj$v8l$2@dont-email.me>, >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >> >> Um, what definition is that? >> >> -- wds >> > >By definition What definition? >, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the world >of death. Those who live in fear of death involuntarily put themselves >under the rule of the devil only to be threatened and terrorized. In >reality, there is only God, and there is no devil. So people who live in >fear of death are only terrorizing themselves. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 18:25 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqn4v1$b85$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1960815 |
On 2015-08-15 05:31 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:30:57 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> In article <mqi4cj$v8l$2@dont-email.me>, >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>> >>> Um, what definition is that? >>> >>> -- wds >>> >> >> By definition > > What definition? The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things. > >> , God rules the world of living, the devil rules the world >> of death. Those who live in fear of death involuntarily put themselves >> under the rule of the devil only to be threatened and terrorized. In >> reality, there is only God, and there is no devil. So people who live in >> fear of death are only terrorizing themselves. > > -- > Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. > > Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially > those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. > > Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government > guaranteed above average income for every person. > > Every illegal alien is a criminal. > No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. > Deportation upon identification as the only option. > > If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly > before you run into me. >
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 15:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d33pafFbe9vU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1959371 |
On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: > The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the > god of death which by definition, is the devil. > > Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? WHy should death be evil? It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new growth. Death is *good*.
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| From | walksalone <spamstopper@nerdshack.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 16:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA4F56807DE5Dwalks@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #1959454 |
"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:d33pafFbe9vU2 @mid.individual.net: Foolowups set > On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: > >> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >> >> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? > > WHy should death be evil? > It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new > growth. Death is *good*. FYI, the Judaic myth has no full time god of death. That's right, hasatan, or satan is not the god of death. AAAMOF, he kills only with the approval of the GOD [god of the day]. See Job for starters. OTOH, the Greek version of Judaism does have all kinds of gods. Hell, they even have a Greek messiah in place of a Jewish one. & the current crop of believers like to pretend that one is a god as well. Not a manifestation of a god, but big daddy as well. walksalone who accepts that mythology's are by nature, weird. But xianity may well be the weirdest of them all. When the church leaders needed a new version, they just declared it. If other xians didn't buy into it, they caused so much trouble that humanity is still paying for it. AKA the Council of Nicea & the Reformation wars for starters. God wanted to have a holiday, so He asked St. Peter for suggestions on where to go. "Why not go to Jupiter?" asked St. Peter. "No, too much gravity, too much stomping around," said God. "Well, how about Mercury?" "No, it's too hot there." "Okay," said St. Peter, "what about Earth?" "No," said God, "They're such horrible gossips. When I was there 2000 years ago, I had an affair with a Jewish woman, and they're still talking about it." —anonymous
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 17:24 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqke7a$vf2$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1959454 |
On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: > On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: > >> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >> >> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? > > WHy should death be evil? Because killing life is evil. > It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new > growth. Death is *good*. > Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence.
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 12:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d360idFsfjsU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1960083 |
On 14/08/2015 10:24, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >> >>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>> >>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >> >> WHy should death be evil? > > Because killing life is evil. Unless god tells us to do it. Read Joshua. Or unless by killing we preserve our own life. Or unless by killing we preserve the lives of others. And that's not even discussing natural death.
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 14:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3lfssapnpq98a6qdnm0e385knolvltrb8r@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1960116 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:08:59 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >On 14/08/2015 10:24, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >>> >>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>> >>>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >>> >>> WHy should death be evil? >> >> Because killing life is evil. > >Unless god tells us to do it. >Read Joshua. > >Or unless by killing we preserve our own life. LOL what happend to turn the other cheek, thats somewhere in the bible > >Or unless by killing we preserve the lives of others. I guess that one doesnt apply to your god thougfh > >And that's not even discussing natural death. >
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 04:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mqkklu0kd5@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1960083 |
niunian wrote: > > Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. > It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. It's a wonder why theists do not rush to avail themselves of this vaunted freedom.
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 12:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d36354Ft71kU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1960127 |
On 14/08/2015 12:50, talishi wrote: > niunian wrote: >> >> Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. >> It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical >> existence. > > It's a wonder why theists do not rush to avail themselves of this > vaunted freedom. Given how some Muslims choose to enter this blessed state, we should be thankful for such small mercy...
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 06:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-DC7E67.06545914082015@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #1960127 |
In article <mqkklu0kd5@news3.newsguy.com>, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > niunian wrote: > > > > Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. > > It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. > > It's a wonder why theists do not rush to avail themselves of this > vaunted freedom. Hence, the declaration that suicide will land you in hell. -- JD Išve officially given up trying to find the bottom of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom Rosario, Addicting Info
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 14:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bcfssa5gn0qn5mf6l0hs4ngj4c0ceitcl8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1960083 |
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:24:50 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >> >>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>> >>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >> >> WHy should death be evil? > >Because killing life is evil. yeah LOL you should have told that to your god, it has murdered more people than small pox, oh wait it made small pox also, so it gets credit for all of those, ok then it has killed more people than hitler, oh wait according to you it made hitler so it gets credit for all of those also, I guess you are just fucked > >> It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new >> growth. Death is *good*. >> > >Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. >It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. hell when your god kills it will torture the fuck out of people, drowning, burning, disease... boy that sounds like a real stand up guy that god of yours
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 07:51 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqmckh$1cg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1960416 |
On 2015-08-15 03:16 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:24:50 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >>> >>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>> >>>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >>> >>> WHy should death be evil? >> >> Because killing life is evil. > > yeah LOL you should have told that to your god, it has murdered more > people than small pox, oh wait it made small pox also, so it gets > credit for all of those, ok then it has killed more people than > hitler, oh wait according to you it made hitler so it gets credit for > all of those also, I guess you are just fucked > >> >>> It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new >>> growth. Death is *good*. >>> >> >> Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. >> It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. > > hell when your god kills it will torture the fuck out of people, > drowning, burning, disease... boy that sounds like a real stand up guy > that god of yours > Nope. None of anything you have said including what you mentioned from the Bible has anything to do with the God of living. The God of living only gives life. Only the force of evil and sometimes it is the force of nature would take life. God as the source and energy of all living things does not kill life. For God to kill life, it would mean God has killed himself. It's stupid to even imagine such thing.
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| From | Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 06:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1459346691461313425.308533mike-xenocyte.com@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1960639 |
niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: > On 2015-08-15 03:16 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:24:50 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >>>> >>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>>>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>> >>>>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >>>> >>>> WHy should death be evil? >>> >>> Because killing life is evil. >> >> yeah LOL you should have told that to your god, it has murdered more >> people than small pox, oh wait it made small pox also, so it gets >> credit for all of those, ok then it has killed more people than >> hitler, oh wait according to you it made hitler so it gets credit for >> all of those also, I guess you are just fucked >> >>> >>>> It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new >>>> growth. Death is *good*. >>>> >>> >>> Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. >>> It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. >> >> hell when your god kills it will torture the fuck out of people, >> drowning, burning, disease... boy that sounds like a real stand up guy >> that god of yours >> > > Nope. None of anything you have said including what you mentioned from > the Bible has anything to do with the God of living. The God of living > only gives life. Only the force of evil and sometimes it is the force of > nature would take life. God as the source and energy of all living things > does not kill life. For God to kill life, it would mean God has killed > himself. It's stupid to even imagine such thing. I'm trying to figure out whether your religion has anything to do with any established ones, and failing. Certainly not Judaism, Christianity or Islam - to name just three of the ones that embrace the notion that God erased most of the life on Earth in a flood so he could start afresh ... -- So much universe, and so little time. - Sir Terry Pratchett
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 16:11 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqn36b$5ht$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1960759 |
On 2015-08-15 02:41 PM, Mike M wrote: > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >> On 2015-08-15 03:16 AM, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:24:50 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-13 10:53 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>> On 13/08/2015 13:30, niunian wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down to the >>>>>> god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any more god head you can think of in your atheist life? >>>>> >>>>> WHy should death be evil? >>>> >>>> Because killing life is evil. >>> >>> yeah LOL you should have told that to your god, it has murdered more >>> people than small pox, oh wait it made small pox also, so it gets >>> credit for all of those, ok then it has killed more people than >>> hitler, oh wait according to you it made hitler so it gets credit for >>> all of those also, I guess you are just fucked >>> >>>> >>>>> It is a natural part of the cycle of life. Decay and death feeds new >>>>> growth. Death is *good*. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes. I guess the death in peace without suffering can be an exception. >>>> It can be considered the freedom of the soul from this physical existence. >>> >>> hell when your god kills it will torture the fuck out of people, >>> drowning, burning, disease... boy that sounds like a real stand up guy >>> that god of yours >>> >> >> Nope. None of anything you have said including what you mentioned from >> the Bible has anything to do with the God of living. The God of living >> only gives life. Only the force of evil and sometimes it is the force of >> nature would take life. God as the source and energy of all living things >> does not kill life. For God to kill life, it would mean God has killed >> himself. It's stupid to even imagine such thing. > > I'm trying to figure out whether your religion has anything to do with any > established ones, and failing. Certainly not Judaism, Christianity or Islam > - to name just three of the ones that embrace the notion that God erased > most of the life on Earth in a flood so he could start afresh ... > The Old Testament has at least two Gods. The first God is the God of creation who is the God of Eden. The second God is the God of Adam and Eve after they have sinned. The first God is the God of living, the giver of life who is always good. The second God is the God of sin who is always vengeful and evil. They are not the same God. The sin has introduced or manufactured another God in the place of the previous creation God.
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mqn4pp1c16@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1960825 |
niunian wrote: > > The Old Testament has at least two Gods. The first God is the God of > creation who is the God of Eden. The second God is the God of Adam and > Eve after they have sinned. The first God is the God of living, the > giver of life who is always good. The second God is the God of sin who > is always vengeful and evil. They are not the same God. The sin has > introduced or manufactured another God in the place of the previous > creation God. It turns out the previous creation God was manufactured as well. Humans have manufactured at least 5,000 of them.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqn5c6$cgg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1960831 |
On 2015-08-15 06:36 PM, talishi wrote: > niunian wrote: >> >> The Old Testament has at least two Gods. The first God is the God >> of creation who is the God of Eden. The second God is the God of >> Adam and Eve after they have sinned. The first God is the God of >> living, the giver of life who is always good. The second God is the >> God of sin who is always vengeful and evil. They are not the same >> God. The sin has introduced or manufactured another God in the >> place of the previous creation God. > > It turns out the previous creation God was manufactured as well. > Humans have manufactured at least 5,000 of them. Are we talking about philosophy or are we talking about science? Make up your mind.
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqgmki$p4f$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1958193 |
In article <mqe52i$pjo$1@dont-email.me>,
niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to
> understand what exactly I'm talking about.
"You'd agree with me if you were as {deep | cool | smart} as I am."
> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your
> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of
> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be
> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious
> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil
> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods.
This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to
all people.
-- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1958920 |
On 2015-08-13 07:59 AM, William December Starr wrote:
> In article <mqe52i$pjo$1@dont-email.me>,
> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said:
>
>> Too shallow. You haven't reflected on your own life deep enough to
>> understand what exactly I'm talking about.
>
> "You'd agree with me if you were as {deep | cool | smart} as I am."
>
>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your
>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of
>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be
>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious
>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil
>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods.
>
> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to
> all people.
>
> -- wds
>
For example?
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqi042$kki$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1959045 |
In article <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > William December Starr wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your >>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of >>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be >>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious >>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil >>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. >> >> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to >> all people. > > For example? For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof in upon you. -- wds
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