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  Ask an Atheist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 12:12 -0700
    Re: Ask an Atheist Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:56 -0700
      Re: Ask an Atheist Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:06 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 03:21 -0700
    Re: Ask an Atheist Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-02 13:41 -0700
    Re: Ask an Atheist Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 15:03 -0700
      Re: Ask an Atheist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 22:55 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 01:12 -0700
          Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-20 07:31 -0500
            Re: Ask an Atheist Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2017-09-20 07:07 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 04:05 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-22 07:11 -0700
                Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-23 12:03 -0500
                  Re: Ask an Atheist Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizont.net> - 2017-09-23 12:13 -0500
                    Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-24 14:19 -0500
                      Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 19:04 -0700
                      Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-25 00:47 -0700
                  Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 12:45 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-24 14:19 -0500
                      Re: Ask an Atheist "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-24 12:28 -0700
                      Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 19:05 -0700
                      Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-25 01:14 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-24 14:21 -0500
            Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 08:14 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist TheRealMccoy <drlmccoymd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 08:15 -0700
                Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 10:05 -0700
                  Re: Ask an Atheist TheRealMccoy <princmichael77@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 10:14 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2017-09-21 00:32 +0000
                    Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 20:15 -0700
                      Re: Ask an Atheist TheRealMccoy <drlmccoymd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 08:28 -0700
                  Re: Ask an Atheist "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-21 13:10 -0700
                  Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-22 07:16 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-23 12:07 -0500
                      Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 12:49 -0700
                        Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-24 14:25 -0500
                          Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 19:11 -0700
                            Re: Ask an Atheist Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-09-26 13:12 -0700
                              Re: Ask an Atheist "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2017-09-26 16:38 -0400
                                Re: Ask an Atheist Atlatl Axolotl <atlatltheaxolotl@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 13:58 -0700
                                Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 19:00 -0700
                                  Re: Ask an Atheist "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2017-09-26 22:43 -0400
                      Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-24 23:48 -0700
                        Re: Ask an Atheist MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 23:56 -0700
                        Re: Ask an Atheist MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 12:37 -0700
                      Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-24 23:58 -0700
                  Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 15:37 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-23 12:18 -0500
              Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-22 07:13 -0700
                Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-23 12:19 -0500
                  Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-25 00:31 -0700
          Re: Ask an Atheist Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 18:12 -0400
            Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 20:29 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2017-09-21 18:36 -0400
    Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 03:19 -0700
    Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 05:18 -0700
      Re: Ask an Atheist TheRealMccoy <drlmccoymd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 11:26 -0700
      Re: Ask an Atheist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-03 13:29 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 19:58 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 20:37 -0700
    Re: Ask an Atheist Irreverend Dave <reverend_dave@ministerpants.com> - 2017-09-03 19:05 +0000
    Re: Ask an Atheist Gronk <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-09-18 15:13 -0600
      Re: Ask an Atheist The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-20 00:59 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 01:35 -0700
          Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-20 07:34 -0500
            Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 09:55 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 18:12 -0400
                Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 15:21 -0700
                  Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-23 12:21 -0500
                    Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-23 12:52 -0700
                      Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-24 14:27 -0500
                        Re: Ask an Atheist "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-24 13:48 -0700
                        Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 19:12 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-24 17:59 -0700
                    Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-25 00:33 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-22 14:02 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 15:17 -0700
                Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-23 12:24 -0500
                  Re: Ask an Atheist "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-23 10:33 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 01:53 -0700
        Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 18:06 -0700
          Re: Ask an Atheist TheRealMccoy <drlmccoymd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 18:07 -0700
            Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 19:54 -0700
            Re: Ask an Atheist hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2017-09-20 21:06 -0700
            Re: Ask an Atheist Yap Honghor <hhyapster@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 23:58 -0700
              Re: Ask an Atheist Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 00:16 -0700
    Re: Ask an Atheist Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2017-09-20 05:15 -0700
      Re: Ask an Atheist duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2017-09-20 07:36 -0500
        Re: Ask an Atheist Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2017-09-20 07:09 -0700

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#2369946

"Yap Honghor" wrote in message news:270702ad-8ac2-4d5e-8eba-6dab7796e93b@googlegroups.com...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Kevrob" wrote:    
>> > duke wrote:
>> > 
>> >> I'm not on the wagon. 
>> > 
>> > Sounds like you are on a bender: cranked on the Jebus juice.
>> > 
>> >> I can't "push" you off.
>> > 
>> > You are sure as shootin' "pushing" your drug of choice: religion,
>> > of the RCC variety.  That's called "proselytizing."
>> > 
>> > It is off-charter behavior for the group.  You know that, but you
>> > pretend to your own definition of the "p-word" and blatantly
>> > violate the group norm.
>> > 
>> > In two words: you suck.
>> > 
>> > Kevin R
>> 
>> Hey Kevin, how's it going as being the lone *thought
>> policeman* for the group? The job apparently makes 
>> you read ~every~ single post. And I suspect that you 
>> probably don't even get paid.
> 
> He is a natural member of the atheism and has no greediness 
> shown in the people of the theism. He know there is no pixie 
> to benefit him, neither is he going to live forever....

But thought police are invariably unhappy people because they
are unsure of themselves, and they know that they are fighting
against the truth.

If one loves the truth, they are not concerned about what others
think. Because in reality, you cannot fight against the truth and
win. 

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#2368985

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 1:07:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:56:36 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:17:36 AM UTC-4, TheRealMccoy wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Would you mind saying that in English, please.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Why does everything have to be dumbed down to your standard?
> >> >
> >> >You're delusional. What was said, which you deleted, was : 
> >> >'Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now 
> >> >that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?'
> >> >
> >> >The sentence doesn't make sense grammatically, though it's obviously
> >> >some kind of lying attack on atheists.
> >> 
> >> There is zero love in atheism.
>  
> >How would you know? You aren't a telepath. 
> 
> Btw, that doesn't mean that atheists can't or don't love others or what they do
> for others, but that they don't understand that they are reacting positively > the teachings of Jesus.

What 'teachings of Jesus'? Most Jews have never read the NT or been to a church service. 
> 
> >And, I know for a fact, after 20
> >years of your messages here that there is no love or kindness in you.

That's exactly how I feel about you. What really matters is how others feel about us.
> 
> But there is.  You loser atheists keep falling off the wagon, and I keep putting
> you back on.

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#2368986

On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:48:04 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 1:07:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:56:36 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:17:36 AM UTC-4, TheRealMccoy wrote:
>> >> >> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, hypatiab7 wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > Would you mind saying that in English, please.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Why does everything have to be dumbed down to your standard?
>> >> >
>> >> >You're delusional. What was said, which you deleted, was : 
>> >> >'Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now 
>> >> >that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?'
>> >> >
>> >> >The sentence doesn't make sense grammatically, though it's obviously
>> >> >some kind of lying attack on atheists.
>> >> 
>> >> There is zero love in atheism.
>>  
>> >How would you know? You aren't a telepath. 
>> 
>> Btw, that doesn't mean that atheists can't or don't love others or what they do
>> for others, but that they don't understand that they are reacting positively > the teachings of Jesus.
>
>What 'teachings of Jesus'? Most Jews have never read the NT or been to a church service. 
>> 
>> >And, I know for a fact, after 20
>> >years of your messages here that there is no love or kindness in you.
>
>That's exactly how I feel about you. What really matters is how others feel about us.

Careful Duke said he wanted the Sheriff to come to my house and burn
me and his buddy Patrick will shoot you and has a throw down weapon.
Fundies are crazy.


>> 
>> But there is.  You loser atheists keep falling off the wagon, and I keep putting
>> you back on.

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#2369674

On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 14:22:30 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:48:04 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 1:07:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:56:36 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:17:36 AM UTC-4, TheRealMccoy wrote:
>>> >> >> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> > Would you mind saying that in English, please.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Why does everything have to be dumbed down to your standard?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >You're delusional. What was said, which you deleted, was : 
>>> >> >'Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now 
>>> >> >that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?'
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The sentence doesn't make sense grammatically, though it's obviously
>>> >> >some kind of lying attack on atheists.
>>> >> 
>>> >> There is zero love in atheism.
>>>  
>>> >How would you know? You aren't a telepath. 
>>> 
>>> Btw, that doesn't mean that atheists can't or don't love others or what they do
>>> for others, but that they don't understand that they are reacting positively > the teachings of Jesus.
>>
>>What 'teachings of Jesus'? Most Jews have never read the NT or been to a church service. 
>
>Exactly.  "Love" came to us in Jesus Christ and the new covenant.  To the
>previous Jew and the first covenant, it was living in righteousness.  You as a
>fallen away Jewess should know that.

You believe the inquisition was about love?
>
>>> >And, I know for a fact, after 20
>>> >years of your messages here that there is no love or kindness in you.
>>
>>That's exactly how I feel about you. What really matters is how others feel about us.
>
>You're addressing your own words.
> 
>
>the dukester, American-American
>
>
>*****
>The Catholic Church is like a thick steak, a glass of red wine
>and a good cigar. 
>
>G.K. Chesterton 
>*****

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#2368987

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 1:07:09 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:16:08 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:56:36 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:17:36 AM UTC-4, TheRealMccoy wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Would you mind saying that in English, please.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Why does everything have to be dumbed down to your standard?
> >> >
> >> >You're delusional. What was said, which you deleted, was : 
> >> >'Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now 
> >> >that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?'
> >> >
> >> >The sentence doesn't make sense grammatically, though it's obviously
> >> >some kind of lying attack on atheists.
> >> 
> >> There is zero love in atheism.
>  
> >How would you know? You aren't a telepath. 
> 
> Btw, that doesn't mean that atheists can't or don't love others or what they do
> for others, but that they don't understand that they are reacting positively to
> the teachings of Jesus.
> 
> >And, I know for a fact, after 20
> >years of your messages here that there is no love or kindness in you.
> 
> But there is.  You loser atheists keep falling off the wagon, and I keep putting you back on.

We're all still atheists,  loser. In alt.atheism, Earl Weber (Duke) is a
complete and total 20 year failure.  You boast and you lie and you truly
know that you have achieved nothing.

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#2368033

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:17:36 AM UTC-4, TheRealMccoy wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, hypatiab7 wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Would you mind saying that in English, please.
> >> 
> >> Why does everything have to be dumbed down to your standard?
> >
> >You're delusional. What was said, which you deleted, was : 
> >'Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now 
> >that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?'
> >
> >The sentence doesn't make sense grammatically, though it's obviously
> >some kind of lying attack on atheists.
> 
> There is zero love in atheism.
> 
> the dukester, American Shit for Brains

Let us look at how Catholics and other Christians have shown the love.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
A small sample.
 Ancient Pagans

    As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
    Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
    Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
    Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
    Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
    Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
    According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
    In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
    In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
    The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
    [DO19-25]


    Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
    Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
    Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
    15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
    16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
 Crusades (1095-1291)

    First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
    Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
    9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
    Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
    after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
    Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
    Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
    Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
    (In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude")
    The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
    Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
    Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
    Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
    Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

    Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Your religion is about death and the worship of it. 

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#2368279

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:37:58 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:17:36 AM UTC-4, TheRealMccoy wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:14:58 AM UTC-5, hypatiab7 wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > Would you mind saying that in English, please.
>> >> 
>> >> Why does everything have to be dumbed down to your standard?
>> >
>> >You're delusional. What was said, which you deleted, was : 
>> >'Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now 
>> >that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?'
>> >
>> >The sentence doesn't make sense grammatically, though it's obviously
>> >some kind of lying attack on atheists.
>> 
>> There is zero love in atheism.
>> 
>> the dukester, American Shit for Brains
>
>Let us look at how Catholics and other Christians have shown the love.
>
>http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
>A small sample.
> Ancient Pagans

>    As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
>    Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
>    Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
>    Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
>    Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
>    Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]
>    According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."
>    In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
>    In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
>    The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
>    [DO19-25]

Hypatia was murdered during an episode of city-wide anger stemming from a feud
between Orestes, the prefect of Alexandria, and Cyril, the Bishop of Alexandria.

>    Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
>    Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
>    Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
>    15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30]
>    16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde".
>    Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]
> Crusades (1095-1291)
>
>    First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
>Your religion is about death and the worship of it. 

The Crusades evolved as a result of the hordes of muslims overrunning the Holy
Land and heading for S Europe.



the dukester, American-American


*****
The Catholic Church is like a thick steak, a glass of red wine
and a good cigar. 

G.K. Chesterton 
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#2367835

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:31:42 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:12:20 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:55:29 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> Davej wrote:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:13:05 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> > > Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > How about a world where people work together to improve
> >> >> > the conditions of their lives rather than pretending that
> >> >> > an imaginary magic being is running everything like a
> >> >> > secret gangster?
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> pretending????
> >> >
> >> >Perfect example of why there is so much misery in the world - religion.
> >> >Better yet, this guy (part of the Borg) doesn't even realize that he
> >> >just called his god a secret gangster.
> >> 
> >> Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?
> >
> >Would you mind saying that in English, please.
> 
> It is in English.
> 
Very bad English. Please express it more clearly. We always want to know what you're lying about.

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#2368281

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:31:42 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:12:20 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:55:29 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> >> Davej wrote:
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:13:05 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> >> > > Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > How about a world where people work together to improve
>> >> >> > the conditions of their lives rather than pretending that
>> >> >> > an imaginary magic being is running everything like a
>> >> >> > secret gangster?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> pretending????
>> >> >
>> >> >Perfect example of why there is so much misery in the world - religion.
>> >> >Better yet, this guy (part of the Borg) doesn't even realize that he
>> >> >just called his god a secret gangster.
>> >> 
>> >> Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?
>> >
>> >Would you mind saying that in English, please.
>> 
>> It is in English.
>> 
>Very bad English. Please express it more clearly. We always want to know what you're lying about.

It's in English.

the dukester, American-American


*****
The Catholic Church is like a thick steak, a glass of red wine
and a good cigar. 

G.K. Chesterton 
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#2368991

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 1:19:16 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 8:31:42 AM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:12:20 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:55:29 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> >> Davej wrote:
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:13:05 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> >> > > Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > How about a world where people work together to improve
> >> >> >> > the conditions of their lives rather than pretending that
> >> >> >> > an imaginary magic being is running everything like a
> >> >> >> > secret gangster?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> pretending????
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Perfect example of why there is so much misery in the world - religion.
> >> >> >Better yet, this guy (part of the Borg) doesn't even realize that he
> >> >> >just called his god a secret gangster.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Then why is all the crap in the world taking place now that you atheists profess you're going to own the free world?
> >> >
> >> >Would you mind saying that in English, please.
> >> 
> >> It is in English.
> >> 
> >Very bad English. Please express it more clearly. We always want to know what you're lying about.
> 
> It's in English.

In other words, you can't explain it any more clearly because you know 
it's a lie. Yes, you do lie in alt.atheism. Saying that you don't just 
makes you a double liar and rather silly.  

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#2367144

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:12:20 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:55:29 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Davej wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:13:05 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"
>> > 
>> > How about a world where people work together to improve
>> > the conditions of their lives rather than pretending that
>> > an imaginary magic being is running everything like a
>> > secret gangster?
>> 
>> 
>> pretending????
>
>Perfect example of why there is so much misery in the world - religion.
>Better yet, this guy (part of the Borg) doesn't even realize that he
>just called his god a secret gangster.

Secret?  That superthug never hid _his__ lamp under a bushel.  Offing
the population of the world-8 was a pretty public event.

-- 
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
         Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean) 
          Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

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#2367273

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:12:19 PM UTC-4, Don Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:12:20 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
> <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:55:29 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> Davej wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:13:05 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> > > Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"
> >> > 
> >> > How about a world where people work together to improve
> >> > the conditions of their lives rather than pretending that
> >> > an imaginary magic being is running everything like a
> >> > secret gangster?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> pretending????
> >
> >Perfect example of why there is so much misery in the world - religion.
> >Better yet, this guy (part of the Borg) doesn't even realize that he
> >just called his god a secret gangster.
> 
> Secret?  That superthug never hid _his__ lamp under a bushel.  Offing
> the population of the world-8 was a pretty public event.

Not for long. There wasn't much public left.

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#2367616

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:29:49 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:12:19 PM UTC-4, Don Martin wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 01:12:20 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
>> <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:55:29 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> Davej wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 2:13:05 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
>> >> > > Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"
>> >> > 
>> >> > How about a world where people work together to improve
>> >> > the conditions of their lives rather than pretending that
>> >> > an imaginary magic being is running everything like a
>> >> > secret gangster?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> pretending????
>> >
>> >Perfect example of why there is so much misery in the world - religion.
>> >Better yet, this guy (part of the Borg) doesn't even realize that he
>> >just called his god a secret gangster.
>> 
>> Secret?  That superthug never hid _his__ lamp under a bushel.  Offing
>> the population of the world-8 was a pretty public event.
>
>Not for long. There wasn't much public left.

History is always written by the survivors, who call whatever it was
they survived by "good."

-- 
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
         Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean) 
          Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

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#2360011

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 3:13:05 AM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"

There is nothing in this universe that can be perfect!
Why do you ask?

Even your pixie was said to have kill all human in a worldwide flood....what a stupid story!!!!!
And your troll buddy Assroid the donkey brain is telling us Noah Ark was true!

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#2360026

A perfect world would simply be a world where there is no use of force.
Nobody forcing others to work.
Nobody forcing others to surrender their property.
No force neccessary to defend against force being initiated.
Nobody trying to force others to believe a certain way or dress a certain wat.
What evil exists that is not due to the use of force?

Simple respect might be another way to say it.  Respecting the fact that humans aren't made with cookie cutter sameness.
That we recognize that difference is the driving force of humanity.  That if were weren't different then all would be boring sameness.

The moment you throw force into the mix, every thing goes in the shutter.

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#2360195

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 7:18:04 AM UTC-5, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> A perfect world would simply be a world where there is no use of force.
> Nobody forcing others to work.
> Nobody forcing others to surrender their property.

give me my stuff

no

reconsider give me my stuff

no

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#2360242

Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> 
> A perfect world would simply be a world where there is no use of force.
> Nobody forcing others to work.

Did your mother throw you out of the basement?


> Nobody forcing others to surrender their property.

gimme your girl

> No force neccessary to defend against force being initiated.

turn the other cheek???? 


> Nobody trying to force others to believe a certain way or dress a certain wat.
> What evil exists that is not due to the use of force?

what kind of atheist are you??? How can you believe in evil but not believe in God? what kind of atheist are you?

> 
> Simple respect might be another way to say it.  Respecting the fact that humans aren't made with cookie cutter sameness.
> That we recognize that difference is the driving force of humanity.  That if were weren't different then all would be boring sameness.
> 
> The moment you throw force into the mix, every thing goes in the shutter.


If your father didn't force your mother to have sex with him.. you wouldn't have been born. And there wouldn't be so many ugly babies.


How about the force that keeps you on the ground?...


How about the force that keeps you from falling down through the floor?

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#2360365

On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 4:30:01 AM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > 
> > A perfect world would simply be a world where there is no use of force.
> > Nobody forcing others to work.
> 
> Did your mother throw you out of the basement?

That is your experience? How sad....
> 
> > Nobody forcing others to surrender their property.
> 
> gimme your girl

Why? No girl wants an idiot like you?
> 
> > No force neccessary to defend against force being initiated.
> 
> turn the other cheek???? 

Moron quoting the stupidity of the con book....
>
> > Nobody trying to force others to believe a certain way or dress a certain wat.
> > What evil exists that is not due to the use of force?
> 
> what kind of atheist are you??? How can you believe in evil but not believe in God? what kind of atheist are you?

What fucking pixie????
> 
> > Simple respect might be another way to say it.  Respecting the fact that humans aren't made with cookie cutter sameness.
> > That we recognize that difference is the driving force of humanity.  That if were weren't different then all would be boring sameness.
> > 
> > The moment you throw force into the mix, every thing goes in the shutter.
> 
> 
> If your father didn't force your mother to have sex with him.. you wouldn't have been born. And there wouldn't be so many ugly babies.

And you must have been picked up by the stork, by the riverside before drowning...
> 
> How about the force that keeps you on the ground?...
> How about the force that keeps you from falling down through the floor?

?????????????????

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#2360384

On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 1:30:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> > 
> > A perfect world would simply be a world where there is no use of force.
> > Nobody forcing others to work.
> 
> Did your mother throw you out of the basement?
> 

> 
> > Nobody forcing others to surrender their property.
> 
> gimme your girl
> 
> > No force neccessary to defend against force being initiated.
> 
> turn the other cheek???? 
> 
> 
> > Nobody trying to force others to believe a certain way or dress a certain wat.
> > What evil exists that is not due to the use of force?
> 
> what kind of atheist are you??? How can you believe in evil but not believe in God? what kind of atheist are you?
> 

A pretty normal one. One need not believe in God to understand that some actions are anti-human and anti-life.  Rape, murder burglary, extortion, and many other things are easily understood to be bad, with or without any gods.  before there was Judaism or Christianity there were still laws against such things.

Of course, if we followed the Christian teachings of Jesus we wouldn't be washing our hands to prevent disease because Jesus said not to.  There would be no laws against slavery or sexual abuse of children as was the case under the OT.

I think it's fair to say humanity would have been better off without religion given the bloody history of Christianity in particular.  

> > 
> > Simple respect might be another way to say it.  Respecting the fact that humans aren't made with cookie cutter sameness.
> > That we recognize that difference is the driving force of humanity.  That if we weren't different then all would be boring sameness.
> > 
> > The moment you throw force into the mix, every thing goes in the shitter.
> 
> 
> If your father didn't force your mother to have sex with him.. you wouldn't have been born. And there wouldn't be so many ugly babies.
> 

I'm sorry, but your family traditions are not the same as mine.  No force involved.  Take your rape fantasies and keep them.

> How about the force that keeps you on the ground?...
> 
Playing the idiot card.
> 
> How about the force that keeps you from falling down through the floor?

Playing the idiot card again?  Fuck you're stupid.

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#2360213

On 02 Sep 2017, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Ask an Atheist...."What will make a perfect world?"


An end to religion.


-- 
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist
in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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