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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700 |
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FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 11:47 +0000
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:23 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:33 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:41 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:36 -0500
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 18:26 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:17 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:42 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:47 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 09:48 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:01 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:08 -0400
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 18:21 -0600
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:38 -0400
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 21:11 -0600
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:03 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:06 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:57 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 20:24 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-19 08:37 +0100
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 01:47 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:57 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:04 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:02 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 22:07 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 16:47 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-24 21:48 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:59 -0700
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-23 23:48 -0700
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 01:40 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:50 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:11 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:57 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:03 -0400
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 01:03 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:03 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:15 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:25 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:05 -0400
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:33 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:10 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:50 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:46 -0700
Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-17 13:54 -0500
Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 03:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 13:02 +0000
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 19:46 +0000
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0500
Re: FAITH Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-06-17 23:28 -0400
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 05:36 -0700
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 03:18 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:07 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-19 12:29 -0500
Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-19 12:49 -0500
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-19 23:46 +0000
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:30 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 09:19 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-19 12:30 -0500
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:45 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-21 12:54 -0500
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 11:25 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 21:39 -0700
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 05:34 -0700
Re: FAITH Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
Re: FAITH djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:31 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 13:36 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 09:21 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 10:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 00:01 +0000
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 17:13 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:17 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 02:01 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 07:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:51 +0000
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-20 21:59 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 00:55 +0000
Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-20 20:26 -0500
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:08 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:01 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:52 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:33 +0100
Re: FAITH Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-06-23 11:22 -0600
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:19 +0000
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-24 00:24 +0000
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-23 23:52 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 18:08 -0700
Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:44 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-23 11:24 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-23 22:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 09:07 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 11:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 12:51 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 13:38 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 16:45 -0600
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-24 16:44 -0700
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-24 18:03 -0600
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-25 05:30 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 18:34 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 18:20 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 11:09 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:55 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 18:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:04 +0000
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 05:10 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-21 22:00 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:56 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:58 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-22 12:29 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 23:55 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-23 14:16 +0100
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 16:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-25 14:19 +0000
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-25 16:53 +0100
Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-29 03:44 -0700
Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:06 -0400
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <57688FEE.664B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2128769 |
Smiler wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. > > Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? Couldn't yous call yourselves Adevil or something like that? It sounds more appropiate...
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| From | Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> |
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| Date | 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slnhmb1ib1m5o0okfgrld8tf3psk5esb7l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2128913 |
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Smiler wrote: >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods (for some strange reason. ) > > >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means 'not' If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite happy with that Better still just call us 'normal' people. After all we are not born theist it is character flaw that is usually adopted in adolescence and in my country the practising theists are in a small minority anyway making it an abnormal (ie not normal) activity >Couldn't yous call yourselves Adevil or something like that? It sounds more appropiate... not a devil = adevil Are you not a devil? After all you do act in devilish ways sometimes Les Hellawell Greeting from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Martin Luther wrote: "Faith must trample underfoot all sense, reason and understanding Which means that if Luther practised what he preached nothing he ever said made any sense
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <576A437C.684F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2129051 |
Les Hellawell wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Smiler wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. > > >> > >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. > > Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods > (for some strange reason. ) > > > > > >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? > > Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means > 'not' > > If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite > happy with that > > Better still just call us 'normal' people. The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are atheist. That's not normal.
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| From | Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> |
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| Date | 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c6kkmbpst01hq60lpspc16u4nclckcifdt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2129868 |
On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Les Hellawell wrote: >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: >> >> >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. >> >> >> >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. >> >> Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods >> (for some strange reason. ) >> > >> > >> >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? >> >> Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means >> 'not' >> >> If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite >> happy with that >> >> Better still just call us 'normal' people. > > >The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are >atheist. That's not normal. Not normal by the practising religionist obviously especially when you use bogus figures like your 1%. Times are a changing my afriend and you are being left behind by the wind of change that is sweeping away relgious belief. At the last Census for England those whose claimed to have religion (any religion) was down to less than 60%. At the rate at which religion is declining that figure is probably now down to 50% or less making those of who who stated that we have no religion the majority and therefore normal people Other research (from Pew for example) indicate that of those who have religion less than a third practise that religion. Which means that practising a religion is now a minority abberant behavoir and that those who no longer practise a religion or, like me have no religion at all, are in the greater majority and thus are normal people. As the number of practising theists drop the term 'atheist' becomes increasingly redundant since we just become normal people. The last census did not even bother to ask whether a person was atheist, agnostic, humanist or whatever since they were only interested in those abberants that still had religion. If they had asked they would probably not had a meaningful answer since many people are probably atheist and not realise it or are confused 'agnostics' who seem not to know whether they are theist or not. What really matters here is whether people believe there is a god or not. Since religion usually involves a belief there is a god it follows that most of those who state they have no religion do not believe there is a god implying that about 50% of us English are technically not theists (atheist) and while the rest who still believe there is a god most of them are indifferent to that god since they do not worship it. Les Hellawell Greeting from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Martin Luther wrote: "Faith must trample underfoot all sense, reason and understanding Which means that if Luther practised what he preached nothing he ever said made any sense
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-22 23:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <576B8726.1544@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2129907 |
Les Hellawell wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Les Hellawell wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Smiler wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. > >> > >> >> > >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. > >> > >> Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods > >> (for some strange reason. ) > >> > > >> > > >> >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? > >> > >> Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means > >> 'not' > >> > >> If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite > >> happy with that > >> > >> Better still just call us 'normal' people. > > > > > >The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are > >atheist. That's not normal. > > Not normal by the practising religionist obviously especially when you > use bogus figures like your 1%. Times are a changing my afriend and > you are being left behind by the wind of change that is sweeping away > relgious belief. > > At the last Census for England I'm talking about America...England don't count. Could be 1.6 percent that are atheist in America. Don't forget out of those 1.6 percent who say they are atheist, also a percent of them still believe in God.
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| From | Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> |
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| Date | 2016-06-23 14:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e9onmbldk1bmijt6ie4jssskn2sijjfgkv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2130522 |
On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 23:52:22 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Les Hellawell wrote: >> >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Les Hellawell wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. >> >> >> >> Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods >> >> (for some strange reason. ) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? >> >> >> >> Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means >> >> 'not' >> >> >> >> If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite >> >> happy with that >> >> >> >> Better still just call us 'normal' people. >> > >> > >> >The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are >> >atheist. That's not normal. >> >> Not normal by the practising religionist obviously especially when you >> use bogus figures like your 1%. Times are a changing my afriend and >> you are being left behind by the wind of change that is sweeping away >> relgious belief. >> >> At the last Census for England > > >I'm talking about America...England don't count. >Could be 1.6 percent that are atheist in America. We seem to be better at counting than you are but if that is what you like to think go for it. Complacency by the relgious is good :-) >Don't forget out of those 1.6 percent who say they are atheist, also a >percent of them still believe in God. LOL OK don't call us normal, it was only an invitation You were the one who expressed difficulty writing 'atheist'. I was just trying to help you. You still have the option of calling us 'not theist' rather than using the abbreviated form. Les Hellawell Greeting from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Martin Luther wrote: "Faith must trample underfoot all sense, reason and understanding Which means that if Luther practised what he preached nothing he ever said made any sense
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| From | Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-23 11:22 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <VIRGIL-E19C9C.11224223062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2130522 |
In article <576B8726.1544@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Les Hellawell wrote: > > > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > >Les Hellawell wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker > > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Smiler wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. > > >> > > >> Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods > > >> (for some strange reason. ) > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains > > >> >"theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was > > >> >that???? > > >> > > >> Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means > > >> 'not' > > >> > > >> If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite > > >> happy with that > > >> > > >> Better still just call us 'normal' people. > > > > > > > > >The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are > > >atheist. That's not normal. > > > > Not normal by the practising religionist obviously especially when you > > use bogus figures like your 1%. Times are a changing my afriend and > > you are being left behind by the wind of change that is sweeping away > > relgious belief. > > > > At the last Census for England > > > I'm talking about America...England don't count. > > Could be 1.6 percent that are atheist in America. More like 16% who openly say they are atheist in America, and more every day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States Encompassing at least agnosticism, atheism, deism,[a] secular humanism, and general secularism,[4] Americans without a religious affiliation represent about 20% or more of the population.[1][2][5] and since the early 1990s, independent polls have shown their rapid growth.[6][7] > > > Don't forget out of those 1.6 percent who say they are atheist Where do you get less than 16%? -- Virgil "Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-06-24 00:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nkhub6$his$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2130756 |
On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:22:42 -0600, Virgil wrote: > In article <576B8726.1544@ix.netcom.com>, > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> Les Hellawell wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker >> > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> > >Les Hellawell wrote: >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker >> > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >Smiler wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists >> > >> >> > People. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. >> > >> >> > >> Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are >> > >> gods (for some strange reason. ) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains >> > >> >"theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid >> > >> >idea was that???? >> > >> >> > >> Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means >> > >> 'not' >> > >> >> > >> If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite >> > >> happy with that >> > >> >> > >> Better still just call us 'normal' people. >> > > >> > > >> > >The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are >> > >atheist. That's not normal. >> > >> > Not normal by the practising religionist obviously especially when >> > you use bogus figures like your 1%. Times are a changing my afriend >> > and you are being left behind by the wind of change that is sweeping >> > away relgious belief. >> > >> > At the last Census for England >> >> I'm talking about America...England don't count. >> >> Could be 1.6 percent that are atheist in America. > > More like 16% who openly say they are atheist in America, > and more every day. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States > Encompassing at least agnosticism, atheism, deism,[a] secular humanism, > and general secularism,[4] Americans without a religious affiliation > represent about 20% or more of the population.[1][2][5] and since the > early 1990s, independent polls have shown their rapid growth.[6][7] >> >> Don't forget out of those 1.6 percent who say they are atheist > > Where do you get less than 16%? The same place he gets all his shit from, his arse. -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-06-24 00:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nkhujv$his$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2130522 |
On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 23:52:22 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > Les Hellawell wrote: >> >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Les Hellawell wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists >> >> >> > People. >> >> >> >> >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. >> >> >> >> Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods >> >> (for some strange reason. ) >> >> > >> >> >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains >> >> >"theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea >> >> >was that???? >> >> >> >> Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means >> >> 'not' >> >> >> >> If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite >> >> happy with that >> >> >> >> Better still just call us 'normal' people. >> > >> >The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are >> >atheist. That's not normal. >> >> Not normal by the practising religionist obviously especially when you >> use bogus figures like your 1%. Times are a changing my afriend and you >> are being left behind by the wind of change that is sweeping away >> relgious belief. >> >> At the last Census for England > > I'm talking about America...England don't count. We can count better than you, moron. > Could be 1.6 percent that are atheist in America. Could also be 99%. We know what it actually is, and it's a lot more than 1.6%. > Don't forget out of those 1.6 percent who say they are atheist, also a > percent of them still believe in God. Then they are not atheists, moron. -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | hhyapster@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-06-23 23:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7e409efc-d47c-4ed3-9d41-c2d8a239387e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2129868 |
On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 3:49:58 PM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote: > Les Hellawell wrote: > > > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > >Smiler wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > > >> > > >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. > > > > >> > > >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. > > > > Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods > > (for some strange reason. ) > > > > > > > > >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? > > > > Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means > > 'not' > > > > If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite > > happy with that > > > > Better still just call us 'normal' people. > > > The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are > atheist. That's not normal. Do you know how difficult it is to maintain saneness when most parents are loony idiots, trying to force their religion onto their children. CHILDREN ARE VICTIMS, OF RELIGIOUS INSANITY.
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| From | Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-23 18:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9dc1d927-a80c-459d-8ff3-cd85143e5319@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2129868 |
On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 12:49:58 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > Les Hellawell wrote: > > > > On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:53:02 -0700, The Starmaker > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > >Smiler wrote: > > >> > > >> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:14:42 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > > >> > > >> > Then you have the strangest lot of them all...The Aheists People. > > > > >> > > >> Thank goodness I'm not an Aheists, whatever one of those is. > > > > Somebody who is not a theist where a theist believes there are gods > > (for some strange reason. ) > > > > > > > > >It is very differcult to write the werd atheist when it contains "theist" in the word..a contradiction in itself. Whose stupid idea was that???? > > > > Dictionary compilers who tell us that the prefix qualifer a- means > > 'not' > > > > If you prefer you can just call us 'not theist'. We will be quite > > happy with that > > > > Better still just call us 'normal' people. > > > The population of atheist is not considered 'normal'. 1 percent are > atheist. That's not normal. It's not only not normal, it's a flat out lie. The Pew Religious Landscape survey reported that as of 2014, 22.8% of the U.S. population is religiously unaffiliated, atheists made up 3.1% and agnostics made up 4% of the U.S. population. The 2014 General Social Survey reported that 21% of American had no religion with 3% being atheist and 5% being agnostic. Why lie, when it's so easy to check? Once again my point is proven. You can not talk to theists without them telling lies.
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| From | WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.31d34d15b178070198c1ab@news.east.earthlink.net> |
| In reply to | #2128610 |
In article <5767FA52.2C4@ix.netcom.com>, starmaker@ix.netcom.com says... > They believe or claim there is no God, but they have no evidence to back them up that no Gos exist. Ah, the shifting of the burden of proof, or the "Proving a Negative" logical fallacy. All theists have to do is provide *real* evidence and this would all be over.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5769BB14.49A3@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2129384 |
WangoTango wrote: > > In article <5767FA52.2C4@ix.netcom.com>, starmaker@ix.netcom.com says... > > They believe or claim there is no God, but they have no evidence to back them up that no Gos exist. > > Ah, the shifting of the burden of proof, or the "Proving a Negative" > logical fallacy. > > All theists have to do is provide *real* evidence and this would all be > over. The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. If the A in atheist means NOT, then yous need to prove your assertion since you made up the Not in A..Atheist.
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| From | Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA62ED52A9F776noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #2129583 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:5769BB14.49A3@ix.netcom.com: > WangoTango wrote: >> >> In article <5767FA52.2C4@ix.netcom.com>, starmaker@ix.netcom.com >> says... >> > They believe or claim there is no God, but they have no evidence to >> > back them up that no Gos exist. >> >> Ah, the shifting of the burden of proof, or the "Proving a Negative" >> logical fallacy. >> >> All theists have to do is provide *real* evidence and this would all >> be over. > > The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or > proposition. > > If the A in atheist means NOT, then yous need to prove your assertion > since you made up the Not in A..Atheist. > If you assert there is no Santa Claus does that mean you have to prove he isn't real?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5769F61C.BF@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2129673 |
Mitchell Holman wrote: > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > news:5769BB14.49A3@ix.netcom.com: > > > WangoTango wrote: > >> > >> In article <5767FA52.2C4@ix.netcom.com>, starmaker@ix.netcom.com > >> says... > >> > They believe or claim there is no God, but they have no evidence to > >> > back them up that no Gos exist. > >> > >> Ah, the shifting of the burden of proof, or the "Proving a Negative" > >> logical fallacy. > >> > >> All theists have to do is provide *real* evidence and this would all > >> be over. > > > > The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or > > proposition. > > > > If the A in atheist means NOT, then yous need to prove your assertion > > since you made up the Not in A..Atheist. > > > > If you assert there is no Santa Claus does > that mean you have to prove he isn't real? well, of course!
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| From | Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> |
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| Date | 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <q0ckmbtsjfv1ejde3n21eu02am5ktom5he@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2129583 |
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:09:24 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >WangoTango wrote: >> >> In article <5767FA52.2C4@ix.netcom.com>, starmaker@ix.netcom.com says... >> > They believe or claim there is no God, but they have no evidence to back them up that no Gos exist. >> >> Ah, the shifting of the burden of proof, or the "Proving a Negative" >> logical fallacy. >> >> All theists have to do is provide *real* evidence and this would all be >> over. > > The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or >proposition. Only if the person wishes to persuade others of his assertion. Although you would not be welcome to, you could come here and tell us you were certain there was a god. If you did i would just shrug my shoulders, keep my thoughts about you to myself and move on. If on the other hand you came here demanding that we share your belief, or attack us in some way for not sharing it and did not support your assertion with any evidence I would also just shrug my shoulders, keep my thoughts about you to myself and move on to the next post. > >If the A in atheist means NOT, then yous need to prove your assertion >since you made up the Not in A..Atheist. Check the prefix a- to be found in any good disctionary If you do not like the word 'atheist' then by all means just call us people who are not theist. A theist is a person who believes in the existence of gods. We have no such beliefs Better still just call us 'normal' people. After all we are not born theist, it is character flaw that is usually adopted in adolescence and in my country the practising theists are in a small minority anyway making it an abberant (ie not normal) behavoir Les Hellawell Greeting from YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County Martin Luther wrote: "Faith must trample underfoot all sense, reason and understanding Which means that if Luther practised what he preached nothing he ever said made any sense
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <576A475F.F33@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2129583 |
mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: > > W dniu środa, 22 czerwca 2016 00:08:30 UTC+2 użytkownik The Starmaker napisał: > > > The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or > > proposition. > > Really? So, prove the above. The person making a negative claim cannot logically prove nonexistence. To know that a X does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-22 23:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <576B8531.9FB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2129874 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: > > > > W dniu środa, 22 czerwca 2016 00:08:30 UTC+2 użytkownik The Starmaker napisał: > > > > > The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or > > > proposition. > > > > Really? So, prove the above. > > The person making a negative claim cannot logically prove nonexistence. > To know that a X does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things. For example, to know that God does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things.
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| From | Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> |
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| Date | 2016-06-23 11:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <aaa-4CF988.11244723062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2130520 |
For example, to know that God does exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-23 22:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <576CCAFD.2975@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2130758 |
Wisely Non-Theist wrote: > > For example, to know that God does exist would require a perfect > knowledge of all things. isn't that what I wrote? For example, to know that God does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things. Why did you remove the "not", when not means A?? For an atheist to claim God does not exist, would require of that atheist to have a perfect knowledge of ...all things. That atheist would have to be an omniscient being. Has anyone ever proved that Leprecauns don't exist???? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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