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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700 |
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FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 11:47 +0000
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:23 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 08:33 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 05:41 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:36 -0500
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 18:26 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:17 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:42 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-17 23:47 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 09:48 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 15:01 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:08 -0400
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 18:21 -0600
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-18 20:38 -0400
Re: FAITH Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-18 21:11 -0600
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:03 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:06 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:57 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:16 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 20:24 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-19 08:37 +0100
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 01:47 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:57 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:04 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:02 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 22:07 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 04:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 20:59 -0700
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 01:40 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 00:50 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:11 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:57 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:03 -0400
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 01:03 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 18:03 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:15 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 03:25 -0400
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-19 00:58 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-19 04:05 -0400
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:33 -0700
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-18 20:10 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 23:05 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:50 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:46 -0700
Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-17 13:54 -0500
Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 03:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 13:02 +0000
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-17 19:46 +0000
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0500
Re: FAITH Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-06-17 23:28 -0400
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 05:36 -0700
Re: FAITH bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-17 10:33 -0500
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-17 17:41 -0500
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-18 02:03 +0000
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-18 11:10 -0500
Re: FAITH hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2016-06-18 03:18 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:07 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-19 12:29 -0500
Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-19 12:49 -0500
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-19 23:46 +0000
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 07:30 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 09:19 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-19 12:30 -0500
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:45 -0700
Re: FAITH duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-06-21 12:54 -0500
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 11:25 -0700
Re: FAITH hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 05:34 -0700
Re: FAITH Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 02:54 +0000
Re: FAITH djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-18 03:12 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-18 12:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:31 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 13:36 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 09:21 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 10:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 00:01 +0000
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 17:13 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 11:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:17 -0700
Re: FAITH Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 02:01 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 07:14 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:51 +0000
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-20 21:59 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 00:55 +0000
Re: FAITH Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-20 20:26 -0500
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:08 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:01 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 17:53 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-21 08:05 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:51 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:56 +0100
Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:10 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 15:09 -0700
Re: FAITH Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-21 20:57 -0500
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-21 19:21 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 08:09 +0100
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 01:07 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 11:09 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-20 19:55 +0000
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-20 18:16 -0700
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-21 11:04 +0000
Re: FAITH Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-21 05:10 -0700
Re: FAITH Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-06-21 22:00 -0400
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:56 -0700
Re: FAITH The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-22 00:54 -0700
Re: FAITH Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-06-22 10:58 +0100
Re: FAITH Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-22 12:29 +0000
Re: FAITH WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-21 14:06 -0400
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 00:33 -0700 |
| Subject | FAITH |
| Message-ID | <5763A7C6.1F1C@ix.netcom.com> |
Faith
faith
noun: faith
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith
Like for example...
Science has faith that there is water on Mars.
Science have a complete trust, they are confident there is water on Mars.
They just have to keep the faith, and keep looking.
Science has faith that there is Life on other planets somewhere in the universe.
Science doesn't need evidence, they have ....Faith.
Deep in the heart of all science is faith...science is based on faith.
Religion too is based on faith.
Faith in God? Sounds ...reasonable.
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 11:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nk0o10$1q8i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2126582 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:33:26 -0700, The Starmaker wrote: > Faith > > faith > > > noun: faith > > 1. > complete trust or confidence in someone or something. > > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+faith > > > > Like for example... > > Science has faith that there is water on Mars. Nope. No faith needed when there is evidence. <http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-confirms-evidence-that-liquid- water-flows-on-today-s-mars> > Science have a complete trust, they are confident there is water on > Mars. Yes, because there is evidence. > They just have to keep the faith, and keep looking. Nope. No faith needed. > Science has faith that there is Life on other planets somewhere in the > universe. Nope. Science says that there MAYBE life on other planets. > Science doesn't need evidence, they have ....Faith. You've got that arse about face. Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > Deep in the demented minds of all theists is faith...theism is based on > unevidenced faith. > Religion too is based on faith without evidence. > Faith in an unevidenced God? Sounds ...stupid. CIFY -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 08:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2126642 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that evidence might be found?
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 05:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-5CFFC4.05230717062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2126646 |
In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > > >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > > Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > evidence might be found? Who says they have any such faith? -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 08:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2126651 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >> evidence might be found? > >Who says they have any such faith? Who says they don't? Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the basement? Without faith that the results might be better in one place than another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search?
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 05:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-C001A2.05412417062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2126658 |
In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> > >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> > >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> evidence might be found? > > > >Who says they have any such faith? > > Who says they don't? > > Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > basement? > > Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you try. -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 09:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2126664 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >> >> evidence might be found? >> > >> >Who says they have any such faith? >> >> Who says they don't? >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> basement? >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >try. What evidence? If you had evidence, you would have the keys. How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement to your neighbor's roof?
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 10:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <v568mb9q2og1pn35m22qaufpbu7jv8qq9s@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2126670 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >>> >>> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >>> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >>> >> >>> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >>> >> evidence might be found? >>> > >>> >Who says they have any such faith? >>> >>> Who says they don't? >>> >>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >>> basement? >>> >>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> >>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >>try. > >What evidence? > >If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement >to your neighbor's roof? because idiots shold be seen and never heard...
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 18:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-1EA30A.18261717062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2126670 |
In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> > >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> evidence might be found? > >> > > >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> > >> Who says they don't? > >> > >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> basement? > >> > >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > > > >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >try. > > What evidence? > > If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > > How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > to your neighbor's roof? Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 23:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2127092 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >> >> >> evidence might be found? >> >> > >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> >> basement? >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> > >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >> >try. >> >> What evidence? >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement >> to your neighbor's roof? > > >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? The weakness of your position was exposed and you try to hide it. My example wasn't about weasels, but maybe one showed up in this thread anyway. As for raccoons taking keys: http://www.freakingnews.com/Raccoon-with-Stolen-Car-Keys-Pictures-28023.asp http://www.ricka.org/Conservation/racoons.html Raccoons are naturally curious creatures with a "pack rat" tendency and will raid campsites for pretty shiny things including aluminum foil, car keys, ... If you don't know where your keys are, you don't know where they are ... or that they remain in the last location you left them. You got pwnd, didn't you?
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 20:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-A89CBB.20422017062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2127192 |
In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> > > >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> > >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> > >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> basement? > >> >> > >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> > > >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >> >try. > >> > >> What evidence? > >> > >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> > >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > >> to your neighbor's roof? > > > > > >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > > The weakness of your position What "weakness"? \ -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 23:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2127197 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? >> >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> >> >> basement? >> >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> >> > >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >> >> >try. >> >> >> >> What evidence? >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement >> >> to your neighbor's roof? >> > >> > >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? >> >> The weakness of your position > >What "weakness"? >\ It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon didn't run off with them. But a weasel would never admit that.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-17 20:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-DACA6C.20581917062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2127199 |
In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> >> basement? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> >> > > >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >> >> >try. > >> >> > >> >> What evidence? > >> >> > >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> >> > >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > >> > > >> > > >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > >> > >> The weakness of your position > > > >What "weakness"? > >\ > > It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > > Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > > If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > didn't run off with them. What is your obsession with raccoons? > But a weasel would never admit that. -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 08:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2127203 |
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> >> >> >> basement? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >> >> >> >try. >> >> >> >> >> >> What evidence? >> >> >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? >> >> >> >> The weakness of your position >> > >> >What "weakness"? >> >\ >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon >> didn't run off with them. > >What is your obsession with raccoons? What is your obsession with trying to deflect? You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can take some new approach aren't you? You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the :>>> basement? :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you :>>try. :>What evidence? You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a bullshit claim. If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your "evidence" that the keys are still there? >> But a weasel would never admit that.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 06:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-7BF913.06231918062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2127365 |
In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> >> >> basement? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction > >> >> >> >you > >> >> >> >try. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What evidence? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > >> >> > >> >> The weakness of your position > >> > > >> >What "weakness"? > >> >\ > >> > >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > >> > >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > >> > >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > >> didn't run off with them. > > > >What is your obsession with raccoons? > > What is your obsession with trying to deflect? > > You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can > take some new approach aren't you? > > You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to > run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. > > Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at > least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): > > :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: > :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > :>>> basement? > :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > :>>try. > :>What evidence? > > You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a > bullshit claim. > > If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible > memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your > "evidence" that the keys are still there? Finding them there. You're insane. -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 09:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <edjambls903qn3lefph0tcgg9qmnc1t6kg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2127379 |
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> >> >> >> >> basement? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction >> >> >> >> >you >> >> >> >> >try. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What evidence? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? >> >> >> >> >> >> The weakness of your position >> >> > >> >> >What "weakness"? >> >> >\ >> >> >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. >> >> >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? >> >> >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon >> >> didn't run off with them. >> > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? >> >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? >> >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can >> take some new approach aren't you? >> >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. >> >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): >> >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> :>>> basement? >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >> :>>try. >> :>What evidence? >> >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a >> bullshit claim. >> >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? > >Finding them there. Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning a raccoon. Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, and in chronological order for those without a time machine: 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means you don't know where they are -- in the present). 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that you might find them there? Again, for the slow among those of us who experience time moving in only one direction, you haven't found them yet -- they are still lost as you decide where to start looking for them. >You're insane. You're desperate. The word despicable might occur to some.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 12:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <57659E45.4EEC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2127389 |
Wally W. wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> >> >> >> basement? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction > >> >> >> >> >you > >> >> >> >> >try. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What evidence? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The weakness of your position > >> >> > > >> >> >What "weakness"? > >> >> >\ > >> >> > >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > >> >> > >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > >> >> > >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > >> >> didn't run off with them. > >> > > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? > >> > >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? > >> > >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can > >> take some new approach aren't you? > >> > >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to > >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. > >> > >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at > >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): > >> > >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: > >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> :>>> basement? > >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >> :>>try. > >> :>What evidence? > >> > >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a > >> bullshit claim. > >> > >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible > >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your > >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? > > > >Finding them there. > > Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning > a raccoon. > > Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, > and in chronological order for those without a time machine: > > 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means > you don't know where they are -- in the present). > 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that > you might find them there? > Why would she would look in the basement if there is more light on the roof?
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 15:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-AF25C6.15014018062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2127389 |
In article <edjambls903qn3lefph0tcgg9qmnc1t6kg@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, > >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith > >> >> >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> >> >> >> basement? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place > >> >> >> >> >> than > >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the > >> >> >> >> >direction > >> >> >> >> >you > >> >> >> >> >try. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What evidence? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your > >> >> >> >> basement > >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The weakness of your position > >> >> > > >> >> >What "weakness"? > >> >> >\ > >> >> > >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > >> >> > >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > >> >> > >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > >> >> didn't run off with them. > >> > > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? > >> > >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? > >> > >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can > >> take some new approach aren't you? > >> > >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to > >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. > >> > >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at > >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): > >> > >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: > >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> :>>> basement? > >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >> :>>try. > >> :>What evidence? > >> > >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a > >> bullshit claim. > >> > >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible > >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your > >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? > > > >Finding them there. > > Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning > a raccoon. > > Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, > and in chronological order for those without a time machine: > > 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means > you don't know where they are -- in the present). > 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that > you might find them there? Because I didn't find them anywhere else I looked. > Again, for the slow among those of us who experience time moving in > only one direction, you haven't found them yet -- they are still lost > as you decide where to start looking for them. You start with the most likely places and then you move to the unlikely places. Why have you turned this basic activity into insanity? > >You're insane. > > You're desperate. About what? > The word despicable might occur to some. For what? -- JD Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
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| From | Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 20:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <crnbmb9eldnjtid012bts7bgvb6biorfta@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2127624 |
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <edjambls903qn3lefph0tcgg9qmnc1t6kg@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <mvg9mblh6am7abrcqf1tf77h7p8p0p4vb2@4ax.com>, >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, >> >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> >> >> >> >> >> basement? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place >> >> >> >> >> >> than >> >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the >> >> >> >> >> >direction >> >> >> >> >> >you >> >> >> >> >> >try. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What evidence? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your >> >> >> >> >> basement >> >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The weakness of your position >> >> >> > >> >> >> >What "weakness"? >> >> >> >\ >> >> >> >> >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. >> >> >> >> >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? >> >> >> >> >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon >> >> >> didn't run off with them. >> >> > >> >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? >> >> >> >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? >> >> >> >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can >> >> take some new approach aren't you? >> >> >> >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to >> >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. >> >> >> >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at >> >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): >> >> >> >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: >> >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> :>>In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, >> >> :>> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> >> :>>> basement? >> >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >> >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >> >> :>>try. >> >> :>What evidence? >> >> >> >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a >> >> bullshit claim. >> >> >> >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible >> >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your >> >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? >> > >> >Finding them there. >> >> Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning >> a raccoon. >> >> Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, >> and in chronological order for those without a time machine: >> >> 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means >> you don't know where they are -- in the present). >> 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that >> you might find them there? > >Because I didn't find them anywhere else I looked. So you looked other places first. What happened to your "evidence" here when I asked about where to *start* the search? On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >In article <ccr7mb5l74dv2f295oh28l7lg0on1iq324@4ax.com>, > Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the >> basement? >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you >try. So you acted contrary to your "evidence" and started your search elsewhere. And you call me insane. You are not acquitting yourself well. Maybe you should admit defeat and quit. "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." >> Again, for the slow among those of us who experience time moving in >> only one direction, you haven't found them yet -- they are still lost >> as you decide where to start looking for them. > >You start with the most likely places and then you move to the unlikely >places. So the most likely place was *not* the basement ... because? >Why have you turned this basic activity into insanity? Why have you turned the request for a simple answer into further embarrassment for yourself? I asked "what evidence" and you have spewed irrelevancies. You didn't have "evidence" did you? You only had faith concerning the most likely place to find the keys; and you denied even that faith by starting your search somewhere else. >> >You're insane. >> >> You're desperate. > >About what? For one, to deflect attention from the question, "what evidence?" >> The word despicable might occur to some. > >For what? Ask them. You do want to know, don't you?
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| From | Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> |
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| Date | 2016-06-18 18:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <aaa-12F1E7.18215518062016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2127693 |
In article <crnbmb9eldnjtid012bts7bgvb6biorfta@4ax.com>, Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:01:40 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> You're desperate. > > > >About what? > > For one, to deflect attention from the question, "what evidence?" That is the question that we keep asking, to which you lot have no satisfactory answers.
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