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"God does not play dice."

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  "God does not play dice." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-03 23:20 -0700
    Re: "God does not play dice." Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 08:56 +0200
      Re: "God does not play dice." Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:32 +0200
        Re: "God does not play dice." Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 16:53 -0700
      Re: "God does not play dice." "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 22:33 +0800
        Re: "God does not play dice." Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 18:50 +0200
          Re: "God does not play dice." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-04 12:27 -0700
            Re: "God does not play dice." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-04 23:07 -0700
      Re: "God does not play dice." djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-04 14:55 +0000
        Re: "God does not play dice." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-04 10:57 -0700
        Re: "God does not play dice." goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2016-06-04 21:22 +0000
          Re: "God does not play dice." djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-06-05 01:22 +0000
        Re: "God does not play dice." "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-06-05 00:34 +0100
        Re: "God does not play dice." Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2016-06-04 20:11 -0400
      Re: "God does not play dice." He Kicked Their Jewish Butts Out Of The Land <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> - 2016-06-04 08:28 -0700
    Re: "God does not play dice." Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 09:22 +0200
    Re: "God does not play dice." hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-06-04 03:35 -0700
    Re: "God does not play dice." default <default@defaulter.net> - 2016-06-04 06:40 -0400
      Re: "God does not play dice." Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 16:55 -0700
        Re: "God does not play dice." default <default@defaulter.net> - 2016-06-05 04:59 -0400
    Re: "God does not play dice." "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-06-04 10:15 -0400
      Re: "God does not play dice." Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 14:37 -0400
    Re: "God does not play dice." John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-04 07:35 -0700
    Re: "God does not play dice." Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-04 11:13 -0700
    Re: "God does not play dice." Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 17:00 -0700

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#2119255 — "God does not play dice."

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2016-06-03 23:20 -0700
Subject	"God does not play dice."
Message-ID	<5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com>

"God does not play dice."

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#2119260

From	Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date	2016-06-04 08:56 +0200
Message-ID	<nitu2f$jdv$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to	#2119255


Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...

|"God does not play dice."

As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
I wouldn't be sure.

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#2119265

From	Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date	2016-06-04 09:32 +0200
Message-ID	<niu05j$ac5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#2119260

Dne 04/06/2016 v 08:56 Maciej Woźniak napsal(a):
> 
> 
> Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
> 
> |"God does not play dice."
> 
> As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> I wouldn't be sure. 
> 
It is known that neither God's existence
nor non existence can be proved, so less then obvious.

But if we for discussion purpose accept for now
the existence of God and evil,
it would be high interest of the latter
to persuade people that none of them exists.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#2119788

From	Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com>
Date	2016-06-04 16:53 -0700
Message-ID	<9e227131-9685-4778-bff7-939a42661e9c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#2119265

Nah, it's a math proof that God exists.


On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 3:32:06 AM UTC-4, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 04/06/2016 v 08:56 Maciej Woźniak napsal(a):
> > 
> > 
> > Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> > dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
> > 
> > |"God does not play dice."
> > 
> > As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> > I wouldn't be sure. 
> > 
> It is known that neither God's existence
> nor non existence can be proved, so less then obvious.
> 
> But if we for discussion purpose accept for now
> the existence of God and evil,
> it would be high interest of the latter
> to persuade people that none of them exists.
> 
> -- 
> Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#2119390

From	"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>
Date	2016-06-04 22:33 +0800
Message-ID	<niuorp$qoc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#2119260

On 4/06/2016 2:56 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>
> As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> I wouldn't be sure.

Soldiers and terrorists cannot believe in Gods. Otherwise, they would be 
afraid. :)

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#2119459

From	Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date	2016-06-04 18:50 +0200
Message-ID	<niv0t6$mju$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to	#2119390

Użytkownik "Mr. Man-wai Chang"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:niuorp$qoc$1@dont-email.me...

On 4/06/2016 2:56 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>
> As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> I wouldn't be sure.

|Soldiers and terrorists cannot believe in Gods.

Explain it to Al-Quaida.

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#2119594

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2016-06-04 12:27 -0700
Message-ID	<57532B9F.34D7@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#2119459

=?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:
> 
> UÅ¼ytkownik "Mr. Man-wai Chang"  napisaÅ‚ w wiadomoÅ›ci grup
> dyskusyjnych:niuorp$qoc$1@dont-email.me...
> 
> On 4/06/2016 2:56 PM, Maciej WoÅºniak wrote:
> >
> > As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> > I wouldn't be sure.
> 
> |Soldiers and terrorists cannot believe in Gods.
> 
> Explain it to Al-Quaida.

Explain it to Israel, they invented terroism!

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#2119950

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2016-06-04 23:07 -0700
Message-ID	<5753C1B7.832@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#2119594

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:
> >
> > UÅ¼ytkownik "Mr. Man-wai Chang"  napisaÅ‚ w wiadomoÅ›ci grup
> > dyskusyjnych:niuorp$qoc$1@dont-email.me...
> >
> > On 4/06/2016 2:56 PM, Maciej WoÅºniak wrote:
> > >
> > > As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> > > I wouldn't be sure.
> >
> > |Soldiers and terrorists cannot believe in Gods.
> >
> > Explain it to Al-Quaida.
> 
> Explain it to Israel, they invented terroism!


And if you don't believe it, ask Einstein.

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#2119404

From	djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date	2016-06-04 14:55 +0000
Message-ID	<o895GF.o6L@kithrup.com>
In reply to	#2119260

In article <nitu2f$jdv$1@node2.news.atman.pl>,
Maciej Woźniak  <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>
>
>Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
>dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
>
>|"God does not play dice."

I forget who it was who told Einstein, "Stop telling God what to
do."

But it was Stephen Hawking who later remarked, "God not only
plays dice, but he throws them into a corner where they can't be
seen."

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#2119532

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2016-06-04 10:57 -0700
Message-ID	<57531682.E41@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#2119404

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> 
> In article <nitu2f$jdv$1@node2.news.atman.pl>,
> Maciej WoÅºniak  <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >UÅ¼ytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisaÅ‚ w wiadomoÅ›ci grup
> >dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
> >
> >|"God does not play dice."
> 
> I forget who it was who told Einstein, "Stop telling God what to
> do."
> 
> But it was Stephen Hawking who later remarked, "God not only
> plays dice, but he throws them into a corner where they can't be
> seen."
> 
> --
> Dorothy J. Heydt
> Vallejo, California
> djheydt at gmail dot com



you'd be a fool to play dice in the dark.

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#2119697

From	goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Date	2016-06-04 21:22 +0000
Message-ID	<o89nD6.1J8M@kithrup.com>
In reply to	#2119404

In article <o895GF.o6L@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <nitu2f$jdv$1@node2.news.atman.pl>,
>Maciej Woźniak  <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
>>dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
>>
>>|"God does not play dice."
>
>I forget who it was who told Einstein, "Stop telling God what to
>do."

A quick Google search suggests that it was Niels Bohr.

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goldfarbdj@gmail.com       | from what I've seen on this group it drives one
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | immediately and incurably insane."
                           | -- ACM, on rec.arts.comics.xbooks

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#2119841

From	djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date	2016-06-05 01:22 +0000
Message-ID	<o89yHG.22zK@kithrup.com>
In reply to	#2119697

In article <o89nD6.1J8M@kithrup.com>,
David Goldfarb <goldfarbdj@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <o895GF.o6L@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <nitu2f$jdv$1@node2.news.atman.pl>,
>>Maciej Woźniak  <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
>>>dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
>>>
>>>|"God does not play dice."
>>
>>I forget who it was who told Einstein, "Stop telling God what to
>>do."
>
>A quick Google search suggests that it was Niels Bohr.

Ah, thanks.  He was a good man with an aphorism.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#2119771

From	"Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net>
Date	2016-06-05 00:34 +0100
Message-ID	<drh6rnFh6jmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#2119404

"Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote 

>|"God does not play dice."

> I forget who it was who told Einstein, "Stop telling God what to do."

> But it was Stephen Hawking who later remarked, "God not only
plays dice, but he throws them into a corner where they can't be
seen."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation#Criticism

Bohr, in response, said, "Einstein, don't tell God what to do."[55]


-- 
Mike D

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#2119806

From	Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net>
Date	2016-06-04 20:11 -0400
Message-ID	<nivqmn$bhk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#2119404

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <nitu2f$jdv$1@node2.news.atman.pl>,
> Maciej WoÅºniak  <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>
>>
>> UÅ¼ytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisaÅ‚ w wiadomoÅ›ci grup
>> dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
>>
>> |"God does not play dice."
>
> I forget who it was who told Einstein, "Stop telling God what to
> do."

Bohr as I recall.

>
> But it was Stephen Hawking who later remarked, "God not only
> plays dice, but he throws them into a corner where they can't be
> seen."
>

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#2119410

From	He Kicked Their Jewish Butts Out Of The Land <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com>
Date	2016-06-04 08:28 -0700
Message-ID	<69eb7e06-ce82-48ab-b34a-d7d9222f8582@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#2119260

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 2:56:17 AM UTC-4, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:5752731D.47A@ix.netcom.com...
> 
> |"God does not play dice."
> 
> As he doesn't exist, it's rather obvious. If I believed him,
> I wouldn't be sure.




Is this belief of yours intellectually sound? I doubt you even know what you are talking about....

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#2119264

From	Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date	2016-06-04 09:22 +0200
Message-ID	<nitvjt$8t7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#2119255

Dne 04/06/2016 v 08:20 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> "God does not play dice."
> 

Making statements is almost unrestricted by nature laws.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#2119293

From	hhyapster@gmail.com
Date	2016-06-04 03:35 -0700
Message-ID	<20c8ed76-71d1-4c94-a247-d23455a5fff3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#2119255

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 2:19:00 PM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> "God does not play dice."

Your proto=pixie, if playing dice, would know better not to produce a stupid theist like you.

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#2119295

From	default <default@defaulter.net>
Date	2016-06-04 06:40 -0400
Message-ID	<dpb5lbtfj6bqf1bqgatkc9m7atp3m0q8pd@4ax.com>
In reply to	#2119255

On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 23:20:13 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>"God does not play dice."

Quoted from a man who didn't believe in a god as you understand it.
Einstein was just saying that explanations must be logical.

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#2119789

From	Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com>
Date	2016-06-04 16:55 -0700
Message-ID	<3200186f-d805-4295-bf12-cbe353d21ec3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#2119295

Ignorant/lying drivel. There are hundreds of Einstein quotes on God and it's crystal clear to anyone that reads it, and isn't a deliberate lying scum, that he believed in God. An abstract God that doesn't answer prayers, exactly like the Historical Jesus.

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 6:43:02 AM UTC-4, default wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 23:20:13 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >"God does not play dice."
> 
> Quoted from a man who didn't believe in a god as you understand it.
> Einstein was just saying that explanations must be logical.

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#2119996

From	default <default@defaulter.net>
Date	2016-06-05 04:59 -0400
Message-ID	<3eq7lbd3sciv3lc5nsl86j3rnpvecsdijv@4ax.com>
In reply to	#2119789

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:55:18 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt
<passerby31416@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ignorant/lying drivel. There are hundreds of Einstein quotes on God and it's crystal clear to anyone that reads it, and isn't a deliberate lying scum, that he believed in God. An abstract God that doesn't answer prayers, exactly like the Historical Jesus.
>
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced
that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral
principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need
the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis
of reward and punishment."

Not exactly like any god in any religion.
>
>On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 6:43:02 AM UTC-4, default wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2016 23:20:13 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >"God does not play dice."
>> 
>> Quoted from a man who didn't believe in a god as you understand it.
>> Einstein was just saying that explanations must be logical.

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