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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

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  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-03 23:04 +0000
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-04 16:00 -0500
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-05 19:50 +0000
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-07 07:45 -0500
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 16:15 +0200
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jane <Jane@....> - 2016-05-08 06:51 +1000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:24 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 00:25 -0400
                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-08 08:45 -0400
                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 23:24 -0400
                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-09 18:14 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-05-10 15:47 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:01 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 14:39 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:25 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0700
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-07 17:02 +0000
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:31 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-12 08:22 -0500
                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 18:50 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-13 17:20 -0500
                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-14 02:27 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:05 -0500
                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-16 22:14 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-17 06:38 -0500
                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-05-17 07:12 -0500
                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-17 23:21 -0700
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-18 03:30 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 11:26 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:03 -0400
                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:22 -0700
                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:34 -0400
                                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 11:59 -0700
                                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 17:59 -0400
                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-21 07:41 -0500
                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-21 18:44 -0400
                                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-22 07:55 -0500
                                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:34 -0500
                                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:34 -0500
                                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-22 17:12 -0400
                                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-23 15:47 -0500
                                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-23 22:43 -0400
                                                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:03 -0500
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:15 -0400
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:56 -0500
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:30 -0400
                                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-24 18:26 +0000
                                                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:04 -0500
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:16 -0400
                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:56 -0500
                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:31 -0400
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:27 -0700
                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:35 -0400
                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 12:00 -0700
                                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:00 -0400
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0600
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:29 -0700
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:12 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0600
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 18:40 -0400
                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:33 -0500
                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-19 17:34 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:21 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 03:45 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:13 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:05 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:34 -0500
                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 00:59 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:49 -0700
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:06 -0400
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 11:57 -0700
                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:01 -0400
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:35 -0500
                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:00 -0400
                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-20 12:15 -0500
                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:02 -0400
                                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-21 07:42 -0500
                                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-21 18:45 -0400
                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-22 07:58 -0500
                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:35 -0500
                                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:35 -0500
                                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-22 17:14 -0400
                                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-23 15:48 -0500
                                                        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-23 22:45 -0400
                                                          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:04 -0500
                                                            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:17 -0400
                                                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:58 -0500
                                                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:29 -0400
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-18 15:44 +0000
                                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:08 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-18 15:38 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:36 -0500
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:02 -0400
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 15:57 -0600
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
                              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-17 16:39 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:21 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-10 12:59 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:04 -0500
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:35 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-14 18:04 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:14 -0500

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#2109055

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-05-18 17:29 -0700
Message-ID<573D08F6.346C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#2108970
Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
> 
> In article <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com>,
>  The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> 
> If everything was created, what created that God?


'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


(all your questions are answered in that one sentence)


So, 'In the beginning..'

https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning

1.
the point in time or space at which something starts.


'...God created..'


There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation
did not exist before God..
it existed after God..God created the first...create.

And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.'




(you failed my class)

(you might be wisely but you cannot read)

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#2108829

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-18 14:12 -0500
Message-ID<aefpjbdljvu8rnk5i8uvl2v1fklt6dbi2a@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108567
On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:30:32 -0400, benj <nobodyxx@gmail> wrote:

>Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation 
>myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly 
>advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE 
>primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!)

Well, it certainly is advanced compared to man's ability to reason it out.  Yet
he and I agree that "creation" as we use it addresses the beginning of all
matter and energy in the universe.  The what and the where before that is not
ours to know.

>Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying 
>creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on 
>earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously 
>a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or 
>phases.

Welcome to why the biblical explanation can't be taken literally here.

>Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about 
>"beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was 
>there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws 
>that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since 
>we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the 
>universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only 
>as laws.
>
>Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not 
>apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and 
>observe. 

That's what he and I are already saying.

>Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically 
>nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you 
>can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are 
>outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it 
>all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists 
>wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the 
>part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already 
>gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our 
>"creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something 
>existing outside of time. So we make up stories.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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#2108975

FromVirgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com>
Date2016-05-18 16:08 -0600
Message-ID<VIRGIL-27237D.16084318052016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#2108829
In article <aefpjbdljvu8rnk5i8uvl2v1fklt6dbi2a@4ax.com>,
 duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

> Welcome to why the biblical explanation can't be taken literally here

Sane people prefer not to take it at  all.
 
The myths of wandering tribesmen are not binding in the atomic age!
-- 
Virgil
"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)

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#2109002

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-18 18:40 -0400
Message-ID<8prpjbt78t3cgkq73ef6cfo4h71v5soorg@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108975
On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:08:43 -0600, Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<VIRGIL-27237D.16084318052016@news.giganews.com> wrote:

>In article <aefpjbdljvu8rnk5i8uvl2v1fklt6dbi2a@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Welcome to why the biblical explanation can't be taken literally here
>
>Sane people prefer not to take it at  all.
> 
>The myths of wandering tribesmen are not binding in the atomic age!

Or in any other age.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2109587

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-19 16:33 -0500
Message-ID<s7csjb93pqchondv4mf18h5msep1130jbv@4ax.com>
In reply to#2109002
On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:40:39 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:08:43 -0600, Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><VIRGIL-27237D.16084318052016@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <aefpjbdljvu8rnk5i8uvl2v1fklt6dbi2a@4ax.com>,
>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome to why the biblical explanation can't be taken literally here
>>
>>Sane people prefer not to take it at  all.
>> 
>>The myths of wandering tribesmen are not binding in the atomic age!

>Or in any other age.

Their shoes didn't have nuclear reactors to drive them.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2109590

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-19 17:34 -0400
Message-ID<oacsjbp6sl9mntbg1kp6h026449ubfa2v8@4ax.com>
In reply to#2109587
On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:33:13 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<s7csjb93pqchondv4mf18h5msep1130jbv@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:40:39 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:08:43 -0600, Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><VIRGIL-27237D.16084318052016@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <aefpjbdljvu8rnk5i8uvl2v1fklt6dbi2a@4ax.com>,
>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Welcome to why the biblical explanation can't be taken literally here
>>>
>>>Sane people prefer not to take it at  all.
>>> 
>>>The myths of wandering tribesmen are not binding in the atomic age!
>
>>Or in any other age.
>
>Their shoes didn't have nuclear reactors to drive them.
>

Nor do those of anyone else.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2109584

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-19 16:21 -0500
Message-ID<88bsjbp3al89nhs2ta9eodrkc8qtutmmft@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108975
On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:08:43 -0600, Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> wrote:

>In article <aefpjbdljvu8rnk5i8uvl2v1fklt6dbi2a@4ax.com>,
> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Welcome to why the biblical explanation can't be taken literally here
>
>Sane people prefer not to take it at  all.

So does the ostrich when it hides it's head in the ground.

>The myths of wandering tribesmen are not binding in the atomic age!

Oh, did they take the 747 from Cairo to Rome with a stop over at the river?

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2108571

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-18 03:45 -0400
Message-ID<ja7ojbpul24nm34bt9jjst2mo31pfpnse5@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108548
On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> 
>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>> 
>> >
>> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>> > would exist.
>> 
>>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>> 
>>       Who created your creator?
>
>
>'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'

Where is the evidence this actually occurred?  Use verified sources
only.

>
>
>(all your questions are answered in that one sentence)
>
>
>So, 'In the beginning..'
>
>https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning
>
>1.
>the point in time or space at which something starts.
>
>
>'...God created..'
>
>
>There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God..
>it existed after God..God created the first...create.

Where is your evidence that any god ever existed?

>
>And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.'
>
>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2108830

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-18 14:13 -0500
Message-ID<fkfpjbdnvmr6r7tr42phcqgpl1e45hp797@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108571
On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:45:42 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
><573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> 
>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>> > would exist.
>>> 
>>>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>> 
>>>       Who created your creator?
>>
>>
>>'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>
>Where is the evidence this actually occurred?  Use verified sources
>only.

Man is but a speck of dirt on the big picture when it comes to God.  Go find
your own evidence if you care.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2108872

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-18 16:05 -0400
Message-ID<akipjb9erhc33grj8k266d4gdq7q6q1nm2@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108830
On Wed, 18 May 2016 14:13:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<fkfpjbdnvmr6r7tr42phcqgpl1e45hp797@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:45:42 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>><573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>>> > would exist.
>>>> 
>>>>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>>> 
>>>>       Who created your creator?
>>>
>>>
>>>'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>
>>Where is the evidence this actually occurred?  Use verified sources
>>only.
>
>Man is but a speck of dirt on the big picture when it comes to God.

Since it is easy to verify the existence of man but there is no
evidence to support the existence of any god the two cannot be
compared.


> Go find
>your own evidence if you care.
>

I really don't.  You are the one who keeps talking about it as if it
is real and actually matters.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2109588

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-19 16:34 -0500
Message-ID<a9csjbdheuj81r62u2kskrdg8h72k5fjf2@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108872
On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:05:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2016 14:13:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><fkfpjbdnvmr6r7tr42phcqgpl1e45hp797@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:45:42 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>><573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>>>> 
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>>>> > would exist.
>>>>> 
>>>>>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>>>> 
>>>>>       Who created your creator?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>
>>>Where is the evidence this actually occurred?  Use verified sources
>>>only.
>>
>>Man is but a speck of dirt on the big picture when it comes to God.

>Since it is easy to verify the existence of man but there is no
>evidence to support the existence of any god the two cannot be
>compared.

There is no possible way for man to actually exist without the hand of God.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2109874

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-20 00:59 -0400
Message-ID<kb6tjb5qibbvcetju6mujearndl0pc9pp8@4ax.com>
In reply to#2109588
On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:34:08 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<a9csjbdheuj81r62u2kskrdg8h72k5fjf2@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:05:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2016 14:13:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><fkfpjbdnvmr6r7tr42phcqgpl1e45hp797@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 18 May 2016 03:45:42 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>>>>> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>>>>> > would exist.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Who created your creator?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>>
>>>>Where is the evidence this actually occurred?  Use verified sources
>>>>only.
>>>
>>>Man is but a speck of dirt on the big picture when it comes to God.
>
>>Since it is easy to verify the existence of man but there is no
>>evidence to support the existence of any god the two cannot be
>>compared.
>
>There is no possible way for man to actually exist without the hand of God.
>
According to your superstition, but there is no evidence any god ever
existed.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2108860

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-05-18 12:49 -0700
Message-ID<573CC738.C2C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#2108571
Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>
> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
> >> > would exist.
> >>
> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
> >>
> >>       Who created your creator?
> >
> >
> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> 
> Where is the evidence this actually occurred? 


You're the evidence...


Don't you know Who you are?

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#2108873

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-18 16:06 -0400
Message-ID<0pipjb16erq8q1rlmbjof00t4kpuu41ecn@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108860
On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<573CC738.C2C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>> >> > would exist.
>> >>
>> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>> >>
>> >>       Who created your creator?
>> >
>> >
>> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>> 
>> Where is the evidence this actually occurred? 
>
>
>You're the evidence...

Nonsense.  That is too vague to have any meaning.

>
>
>Don't you know Who you are?

Yes.  But no one else does.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2110120

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-05-20 11:57 -0700
Message-ID<573F5E31.6F8E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#2108873
Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <573CC738.C2C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
> >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
> >> >> > would exist.
> >> >>
> >> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
> >> >>
> >> >>       Who created your creator?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >>
> >> Where is the evidence this actually occurred?
> >
> >
> >You're the evidence...
> 
> Nonsense.  That is too vague to have any meaning.
> 
> >
> >
> >Don't you know Who you are?
> 
> Yes.  But no one else does.

If no one else knows who you are, what makes you think you know who you
are?

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#2110227

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-20 18:01 -0400
Message-ID<982vjb5qrkg94u736ttetj64ih71evon95@4ax.com>
In reply to#2110120
On Fri, 20 May 2016 11:57:53 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<573F5E31.6F8E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <573CC738.C2C@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>> >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>> >> >> > would exist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>       Who created your creator?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>> >>
>> >> Where is the evidence this actually occurred?
>> >
>> >
>> >You're the evidence...
>> 
>> Nonsense.  That is too vague to have any meaning.
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >Don't you know Who you are?
>> 
>> Yes.  But no one else does.
>
>If no one else knows who you are, what makes you think you know who you
>are?

Because I am the one who decides.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2109591

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-19 16:35 -0500
Message-ID<racsjbpnpf16dpon0bp7mnsld8k5pp1dg2@4ax.com>
In reply to#2108860
On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >>
>> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>> >> > would exist.
>> >>
>> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>> >>
>> >>       Who created your creator?
>> >
>> >
>> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>> 
>> Where is the evidence this actually occurred? 
>
>
>You're the evidence...
>Don't you know Who you are?

Attila is God's creation, but he thinks he did it himself.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2109875

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-20 01:00 -0400
Message-ID<8e6tjbt1nmglmp8jpn5juv08mfnc645grj@4ax.com>
In reply to#2109591
On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:35:15 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<racsjbpnpf16dpon0bp7mnsld8k5pp1dg2@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Attila < wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>> >> > would exist.
>>> >>
>>> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>> >>
>>> >>       Who created your creator?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>> 
>>> Where is the evidence this actually occurred? 
>>
>>
>>You're the evidence...
>>Don't you know Who you are?
>
>Attila is God's creation, but he thinks he did it himself.
>

My parents created me in a well known biological process.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2110066

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-05-20 12:15 -0500
Message-ID<ufhujbpl8kpel2klprfva3rvemlhu3pcf8@4ax.com>
In reply to#2109875
On Fri, 20 May 2016 01:00:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:35:15 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><racsjbpnpf16dpon0bp7mnsld8k5pp1dg2@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Attila < wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>>> >> > would exist.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>       Who created your creator?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>> 
>>>> Where is the evidence this actually occurred? 
>>>
>>>
>>>You're the evidence...
>>>Don't you know Who you are?
>>
>>Attila is God's creation, but he thinks he did it himself.

>My parents created me in a well known biological process.

No, they didn't.  All they did was mix the two ingredients that God arranged in
all mankind.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2110228

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-05-20 18:02 -0400
Message-ID<h92vjb1ja8ptkgaf3lal7ekro1joutc3sp@4ax.com>
In reply to#2110066
On Fri, 20 May 2016 12:15:14 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<ufhujbpl8kpel2klprfva3rvemlhu3pcf8@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 May 2016 01:00:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 May 2016 16:35:15 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><racsjbpnpf16dpon0bp7mnsld8k5pp1dg2@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:49:12 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Attila < wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2016 23:21:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> >Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
>>>>> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
>>>>> >> > would exist.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>       Without a creation your god would not exist.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>       Who created your creator?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where is the evidence this actually occurred? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're the evidence...
>>>>Don't you know Who you are?
>>>
>>>Attila is God's creation, but he thinks he did it himself.
>
>>My parents created me in a well known biological process.
>
>No, they didn't.  All they did was mix the two ingredients that God arranged in
>all mankind.
>
There you go with your assertions again when you have yet to provide
any evidence to support your previous statements.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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