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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:33 -0400
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-27 16:47 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 15:06 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 00:51 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-28 07:44 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:19 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 10:08 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:03 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:22 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-29 15:25 -0400
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:04 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:16 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:29 +0800

#1971354 — Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world.  It is a 'truth' because you say it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It fits.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really
>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and
>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking
>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is nothing there.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for
>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank
>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can
>>>>> call themselves the Sages.
>>>>
>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired
>>>> results.
>>>
>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort
>>> is genuine.
>>
>>
>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>> effort?
>
>I don't know. I only wish them luck.

So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
discussing it?

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1971401

On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:48 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world.  It is a 'truth' because you say it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It fits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really
>>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and
>>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking
>>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is nothing there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for
>>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank
>>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can
>>>>>> call themselves the Sages.
>>>>>
>>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired
>>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort
>>>> is genuine.
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>>> effort?
>>
>>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>
>So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
>have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>discussing it?

damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while

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#1971420

On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 5:47:53 PM UTC-4, bil...@m.nu wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:48 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:

> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
> >discussing it?
> 
> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while

And still you crosspost to rec.arts.sf.written.

Will you please trim the crossposts?

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#1971631

bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:48 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world.  It is a 'truth' because you say it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> It fits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really
> >>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and
> >>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking
> >>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is nothing there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for
> >>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank
> >>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can
> >>>>>> call themselves the Sages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired
> >>>>> results.
> >>>>
> >>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort
> >>>> is genuine.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
> >>> effort?
> >>
> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
> >
> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
> >discussing it?
> 
> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while



ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
God exist....while atilla
job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
heart....he's seeking
confirmation of God.

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#1971700

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:48 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> >alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote:
>> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world.  It is a 'truth' because you say it
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> It fits.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really
>> >>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and
>> >>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking
>> >>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> There is nothing there.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for
>> >>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank
>> >>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can
>> >>>>>> call themselves the Sages.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired
>> >>>>> results.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort
>> >>>> is genuine.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>> >>> effort?
>> >>
>> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>> >
>> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
>> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>> >discussing it?
>> 
>> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while
>
>
>
>ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
>ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
>God exist....while atilla
>job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
>heart....he's seeking
>confirmation of God.

I know you would appreciate a witty response to you reply but You are
a fucking moron, so fuck off

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#1971727

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>> >>> effort?
>> >>
>> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>> >
>> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
>> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>> >discussing it?
>> 
>> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while
>
>
>
>ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
>ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
>God exist....while atilla
>job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
>heart....he's seeking
>confirmation of God.

I am not seeking confirmation of anything.  I am showing those who
claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim.   So
far I have had complete success.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1971855

Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
> >> >>> effort?
> >> >>
> >> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
> >> >
> >> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
> >> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
> >> >discussing it?
> >>
> >> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while
> >
> >
> >
> >ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
> >ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
> >God exist....while atilla
> >job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
> >heart....he's seeking
> >confirmation of God.
> 
> I am not seeking confirmation of anything.  I am showing those who
> claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim.   So
> far I have had complete success.

Atheism is based on beliefs, not science, ...how do you confirm your
belief God does not exist? 

I believe you believe God does not exist, nobody has a problem with your
beliefs..

lots of people have beliefs that are wrong...

atheist are one of those people.


When are you people going to come up with an atheist bible? By the time
an atheist writes one, they convert to another religion.

They become agnostic then hare krishnas.


Look at Richard Dawkins. He writse a book called The God Dellusion, and
he converts to agnotism. 

Soon he'll be singing

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna
Krishna, Krishna, Hare, Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama
Rama, Rama, Hare, Hare


Did he shaved off his hair yet?

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#1972252

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:08:37 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<55E09595.5BC9@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>> >> >>> effort?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>> >> >
>> >> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
>> >> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>> >> >discussing it?
>> >>
>> >> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
>> >ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
>> >God exist....while atilla
>> >job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
>> >heart....he's seeking
>> >confirmation of God.
>> 
>> I am not seeking confirmation of anything.  I am showing those who
>> claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim.   So
>> far I have had complete success.
>
>Atheism is based on beliefs, not science, ...how do you confirm your
>belief God does not exist? 
>
>I believe you believe God does not exist, nobody has a problem with your
>beliefs..

Apparently you are unable to understand a  position that does not
include a belief.  This is common among those who are conditioned into
blindly accepting superstition as being reality.

>
>lots of people have beliefs that are wrong...
>
>atheist are one of those people.
>
>
>When are you people going to come up with an atheist bible? By the time
>an atheist writes one, they convert to another religion.

No such document is necessary.

>
>They become agnostic then hare krishnas.
>
>
>Look at Richard Dawkins. He writse a book called The God Dellusion, and
>he converts to agnotism. 

I don't pretend to speak for anyone else.  Nor does anyone else speak
for me.

>
>Soon he'll be singing
>
>Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna
>Krishna, Krishna, Hare, Hare
>Hare Rama, Hare Rama
>Rama, Rama, Hare, Hare
>
>
>Did he shaved off his hair yet?

Using an attempt at humor in place of a factual response is a common
propaganda ploy.  It's an attempt to hide what is missing.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1972450

Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:08:37 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <55E09595.5BC9@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
> >> >> >>> effort?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
> >> >> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
> >> >> >discussing it?
> >> >>
> >> >> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
> >> >ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
> >> >God exist....while atilla
> >> >job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his
> >> >heart....he's seeking
> >> >confirmation of God.
> >>
> >> I am not seeking confirmation of anything.  I am showing those who
> >> claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim.   So
> >> far I have had complete success.
> >
> >Atheism is based on beliefs, not science, ...how do you confirm your
> >belief God does not exist?
> >
> >I believe you believe God does not exist, nobody has a problem with your
> >beliefs..
> 
> Apparently you are unable to understand a  position that does not
> include a belief.  This is common among those who are conditioned into
> blindly accepting superstition as being reality.
> 
> >
> >lots of people have beliefs that are wrong...
> >
> >atheist are one of those people.
> >
> >
> >When are you people going to come up with an atheist bible? By the time
> >an atheist writes one, they convert to another religion.
> 
> No such document is necessary.
> 
> >
> >They become agnostic then hare krishnas.
> >
> >
> >Look at Richard Dawkins. He writse a book called The God Dellusion, and
> >he converts to agnotism.
> 
> I don't pretend to speak for anyone else.  


You are the voice of the universe. It talks through you. You speak for
someone else...


do you know who that someone is?

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#1972571

"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
news:55E1DC44.655B@ix.netcom.com...
> Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:08:37 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <55E09595.5BC9@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Attila < wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700, The Starmaker
>> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about 
>> >> >> >>> their
>> >> >> >>> effort?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet 
>> >> >> >you
>> >> >> >have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>> >> >> >discussing it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a 
>> >> >> while
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means
>> >> >ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others
>> >> >God exist....while atilla
>> >> >job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in 
>> >> >his
>> >> >heart....he's seeking
>> >> >confirmation of God.
>> >>
>> >> I am not seeking confirmation of anything.  I am showing those who
>> >> claim some kind of god exists have nothing to support that claim.   So
>> >> far I have had complete success.
>> >
>> >Atheism is based on beliefs, not science, ...how do you confirm your
>> >belief God does not exist?
>> >
>> >I believe you believe God does not exist, nobody has a problem with your
>> >beliefs..
>>
>> Apparently you are unable to understand a  position that does not
>> include a belief.  This is common among those who are conditioned into
>> blindly accepting superstition as being reality.
>>
>> >
>> >lots of people have beliefs that are wrong...
>> >
>> >atheist are one of those people.
>> >
>> >
>> >When are you people going to come up with an atheist bible? By the time
>> >an atheist writes one, they convert to another religion.
>>
>> No such document is necessary.
>>
>> >
>> >They become agnostic then hare krishnas.
>> >
>> >
>> >Look at Richard Dawkins. He writse a book called The God Dellusion, and
>> >he converts to agnotism.
>>
>> I don't pretend to speak for anyone else.
>
>
> You are the voice of the universe. It talks through you. You speak for
> someone else...

No he is one voice in the universe. He is of the universe and is an 
instantiation of the universes ability to think and speak about itself.

>
>
> do you know who that someone is?

It's him, the universe isn't a someone, it's a something. 

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#1971567

On 2015-08-28 04:33 AM, Attila < wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <mrmlpq$6pf$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world.  It is a 'truth' because you say it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It fits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really
>>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and
>>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking
>>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is nothing there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for
>>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank
>>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can
>>>>>> call themselves the Sages.
>>>>>
>>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired
>>>>> results.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort
>>>> is genuine.
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>>> effort?
>>
>> I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>
> So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
> have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
> discussing it?

I don't have to judge them when I have no idea what they have 
accomplished, but I do understand their practice even though some of 
them themselves may not yet know and understand what exactly they are 
trying to do. I mentioned them just to help you better understand my own 
point.

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#1971726

On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:04:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
alt.atheism with message-id <mroj06$2uc$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>>>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>>>> effort?
>>>
>>> I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>>
>> So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
>> have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>> discussing it?
>
>I don't have to judge them when I have no idea what they have 
>accomplished, but I do understand their practice even though some of 
>them themselves may not yet know and understand what exactly they are 
>trying to do. I mentioned them just to help you better understand my own 
>point.

I understand your point and reject it.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1972180

On 2015-08-28 09:16 PM, Attila < wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:04:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <mroj06$2uc$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>>>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their
>>>>> effort?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know. I only wish them luck.
>>>
>>> So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you
>>> have no idea if any of it is true or not.  Then why bother even
>>> discussing it?
>>
>> I don't have to judge them when I have no idea what they have
>> accomplished, but I do understand their practice even though some of
>> them themselves may not yet know and understand what exactly they are
>> trying to do. I mentioned them just to help you better understand my own
>> point.
>
> I understand your point and reject it.

Really? Thanks anyway for spending time with me.

:-)

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