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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:30 +0000
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:08 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:23 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:56 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:11 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:00 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-22 14:12 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:53 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-23 10:57 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 16:59 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-24 17:42 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-25 16:06 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:41 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-26 00:55 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-26 10:45 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:45 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-27 07:19 -0500

#1963653 — Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

niunian wrote:
>
> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.

Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
function to deities.

Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.

God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation.  Across
history and prehistory many mystics have reproted and continue to report
direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  Some report
observation of deity.  Some report deity is one.  Some report deities
are many.  Those who report deity is one disagree on the personalities
of deity.  One Occam's Razor approach is to not multiply deities so
deity is many and some mystics only met one of them.  One Occam's Razor
approach is to keep it simple and say billions of well adjusted and
sincere citizens were deluded.

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#1963772

On 2015-08-19 06:30 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> niunian wrote:
>>
>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>
> Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
> function to deities.

Occam's Razor doesn't apply. You haven't been able to understand the 
issue here. The appearance of life doesn't explain everything about 
life. Life demonstrates a nature that is intelligent. Such intelligent 
nature hasn't been shown to exist independent of life. It can not be 
taken for granted as a mere function of the physical matter. It is not. 
It comes from God alone.

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#1964381

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>niunian wrote:
>>
>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>
>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>function to deities.
>
>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.

>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 

God is creator of all things.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1964711

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<se0atatjtci96j7u46mm4ch5kk9qjippb4@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>niunian wrote:
>>>
>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>
>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>function to deities.
>>
>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>
>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>
>God is creator of all things.
>

You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
existed.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1965145

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:56:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><se0atatjtci96j7u46mm4ch5kk9qjippb4@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>
>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>function to deities.
>>>
>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>
>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>
>>God is creator of all things.

>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>existed.

At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1965602

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:11:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<ih9ctalcbfnt9vhgm2be2tr49b4jhcumiv@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:56:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><se0atatjtci96j7u46mm4ch5kk9qjippb4@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>
>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>function to deities.
>>>>
>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>
>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>
>>>God is creator of all things.
>
>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>existed.
>
>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>

You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
get a ladder.  And a shovel.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1966789

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:00:21 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:11:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><ih9ctalcbfnt9vhgm2be2tr49b4jhcumiv@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:56:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><se0atatjtci96j7u46mm4ch5kk9qjippb4@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>
>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>
>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>
>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>
>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>existed.
>>
>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.

>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>get a ladder.  And a shovel.

You're in a hole.  Where are you going to get a ladder and a shovel?

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1967464

On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:12:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<8bihtadv49h557d3h9p8mbnn2umk7nv5hh@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:00:21 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:11:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><ih9ctalcbfnt9vhgm2be2tr49b4jhcumiv@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:56:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><se0atatjtci96j7u46mm4ch5kk9qjippb4@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>
>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>
>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>existed.
>>>
>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>
>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>
>You're in a hole.

Not at all.

>  Where are you going to get a ladder and a shovel?
>

The same place you got your god.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1967749

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 03:53:00 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:12:09 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><8bihtadv49h557d3h9p8mbnn2umk7nv5hh@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:00:21 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:11:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><ih9ctalcbfnt9vhgm2be2tr49b4jhcumiv@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:56:46 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:23:57 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>><se0atatjtci96j7u46mm4ch5kk9qjippb4@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>
>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>existed.
>>>>
>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>
>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>
>>You're in a hole.
>
>Not at all.

You just accepted that you were.

>>  Where are you going to get a ladder and a shovel?
>>
>
>The same place you got your god.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1968029

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<sarjtadalabjesdhv3q5i1qohoqa4a0bjl@4ax.com> wrote:



>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>>
>>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>>existed.
>>>>>
>>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>>
>>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>>
>>>You're in a hole.
>>
>>Not at all.
>
>You just accepted that you were.

Amusing.

I was discussing what you pile so high and deep.  That smelly stuff.

>
>>>  Where are you going to get a ladder and a shovel?
>>>
>>
>>The same place you got your god.
>

No snappy comeback?

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1969072

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:59:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><sarjtadalabjesdhv3q5i1qohoqa4a0bjl@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>>>existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>>>
>>>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>>>
>>>>You're in a hole.
>>>
>>>Not at all.
>>
>>You just accepted that you were.
>
>Amusing.
>
>I was discussing what you pile so high and deep.  That smelly stuff.

You had to get out of the crap to get a ladder so you could get out of the crap?
Now I understand.

>>>>  Where are you going to get a ladder and a shovel?
>>>>
>>>
>>>The same place you got your god.
>>
>
>No snappy comeback?

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1969205

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:42:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<9d7ntad1bod3dnloidgh432ai3jp0v5v1f@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:59:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><sarjtadalabjesdhv3q5i1qohoqa4a0bjl@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>>>>existed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>>>>
>>>>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>>>>
>>>>>You're in a hole.
>>>>
>>>>Not at all.
>>>
>>>You just accepted that you were.
>>
>>Amusing.
>>
>>I was discussing what you pile so high and deep.  That smelly stuff.
>
>You had to get out of the crap to get a ladder so you could get out of the crap?
>Now I understand.

As deep as you pile it a ladder is barely usable.


>
>>>>>  Where are you going to get a ladder and a shovel?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The same place you got your god.
>>>
>>
>>No snappy comeback?
>

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1969877

On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:26:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:42:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><9d7ntad1bod3dnloidgh432ai3jp0v5v1f@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:59:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><sarjtadalabjesdhv3q5i1qohoqa4a0bjl@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>>>>>existed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>>>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're in a hole.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not at all.
>>>>
>>>>You just accepted that you were.
>>>
>>>Amusing.
>>>
>>>I was discussing what you pile so high and deep.  That smelly stuff.
>>
>>You had to get out of the crap to get a ladder so you could get out of the crap?
>>Now I understand.
>
>As deep as you pile it a ladder is barely usable.

Well, you're the one digging your way out of the crap.  Personally you got
yourself in it, so you get yourself out of it.  But remember, it doesn't do any
good to go get a ladder so you can dig yourself out of a hole of crap.


the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1970266

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:06:28 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<d3mptatngkoe4u5aiheufi5ksubp41qr9b@4ax.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:26:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:42:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>alt.atheism with message-id
>><9d7ntad1bod3dnloidgh432ai3jp0v5v1f@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:59:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>><sarjtadalabjesdhv3q5i1qohoqa4a0bjl@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>>>>>>existed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>>>>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're in a hole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>You just accepted that you were.
>>>>
>>>>Amusing.
>>>>
>>>>I was discussing what you pile so high and deep.  That smelly stuff.
>>>
>>>You had to get out of the crap to get a ladder so you could get out of the crap?
>>>Now I understand.
>>
>>As deep as you pile it a ladder is barely usable.
>
>Well, you're the one digging your way out of the crap.  Personally you got
>yourself in it, so you get yourself out of it.  But remember, it doesn't do any
>good to go get a ladder so you can dig yourself out of a hole of crap.
>
It's your crap.

I suspect your parents had a lot to do with your brainwashing when you
were growing up.  If so that makes you the poster boy for considering
religious indoctrination child abuse.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1970274

You people
don't actually
believe 
that religious
leaders
actually believe in
God, do you????


I mean...
look at your
yellow pages..
it's where the
places of 
worship
are 
listed.


Even today
some of yous
(if not most of yous)
act if
Doctors
are like
God.

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#1970482

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:41:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:06:28 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><d3mptatngkoe4u5aiheufi5ksubp41qr9b@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:26:16 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:42:22 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>><9d7ntad1bod3dnloidgh432ai3jp0v5v1f@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:59:19 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:56 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>><sarjtadalabjesdhv3q5i1qohoqa4a0bjl@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>niunian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definition of God as the living source and energy of all living things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Occam's Razor violation by adding an unnecessary and unsupported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>function to deities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gods are spirits detected by that small percentage of the population who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>have direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>majority has always had no direct personal observation of the spirits if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the world so some take their existence on faith others disbelieve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God as a singluar being is a second Occam's razor violation. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God is creator of all things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You have yet to offer any unambiguous and direct evidence any god ever
>>>>>>>>>>>existed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>At this stage, what I would have to offer is totally over your head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You do tend to pile it higher and deeper but I can hold my breath and
>>>>>>>>>get a ladder.  And a shovel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You're in a hole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You just accepted that you were.
>>>>>
>>>>>Amusing.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was discussing what you pile so high and deep.  That smelly stuff.
>>>>
>>>>You had to get out of the crap to get a ladder so you could get out of the crap?
>>>>Now I understand.
>>>
>>>As deep as you pile it a ladder is barely usable.
>>
>>Well, you're the one digging your way out of the crap.  Personally you got
>>yourself in it, so you get yourself out of it.  But remember, it doesn't do any
>>good to go get a ladder so you can dig yourself out of a hole of crap.

>It's your crap.
>I suspect your parents had a lot to do with your brainwashing when you
>were growing up.  If so that makes you the poster boy for considering
>religious indoctrination child abuse.

Did you get out of the hole so you could go get a ladder to get out of the hole.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1970653

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:45:45 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
alt.atheism with message-id
<llnrta9g0sr4sfnms54ik1sp4g9rlr5v9t@4ax.com> wrote:

>>>Well, you're the one digging your way out of the crap.  Personally you got
>>>yourself in it, so you get yourself out of it.  But remember, it doesn't do any
>>>good to go get a ladder so you can dig yourself out of a hole of crap.
>
>>It's your crap.
>>I suspect your parents had a lot to do with your brainwashing when you
>>were growing up.  If so that makes you the poster boy for considering
>>religious indoctrination child abuse.
>
>Did you get out of the hole so you could go get a ladder to get out of the hole.

You are hung in one of your loops again.  You have proven you can do
this indefinitely.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1971048

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:45:28 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:45:45 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
>alt.atheism with message-id
><llnrta9g0sr4sfnms54ik1sp4g9rlr5v9t@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>>>Well, you're the one digging your way out of the crap.  Personally you got
>>>>yourself in it, so you get yourself out of it.  But remember, it doesn't do any
>>>>good to go get a ladder so you can dig yourself out of a hole of crap.
>>
>>>It's your crap.
>>>I suspect your parents had a lot to do with your brainwashing when you
>>>were growing up.  If so that makes you the poster boy for considering
>>>religious indoctrination child abuse.
>>
>>Did you get out of the hole so you could go get a ladder to get out of the hole.
>
>You are hung in one of your loops again.  You have proven you can do
>this indefinitely.

Truth is like that.  It doesn't change.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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