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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 12:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 21:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 02:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-18 14:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 18:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 10:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 00:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 09:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 00:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 13:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 00:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 12:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-23 15:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-08-23 20:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 05:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 12:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-26 00:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:16 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:55 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:59 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <o7vitad59prbn4i72eriufcs2ahk0q8ctt@4ax.com> |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr9b7t$mcu$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-22 03:40 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:47:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8d8l$88g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-22 05:31 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:58:24 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr73m0$1hr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>> >>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>> >>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>> is. >>>> >>>> How convenient for you. >>> >>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>> is universal to all people. >> >> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. > >That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. > It fits. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrch7f$79g$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1967469 |
On 2015-08-23 03:58 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr9b7t$mcu$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-22 03:40 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:47:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8d8l$88g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-22 05:31 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:58:24 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr73m0$1hr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>> >>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> How convenient for you. >>>> >>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>> is universal to all people. >>> >>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >> >> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >> > It fits. Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really discriminating. It's quite natural and normal.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s1dkta5qg41a9shskmpbae4crqgn7alghp@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1967643 |
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:20:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrch7f$79g$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-23 03:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr9b7t$mcu$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-22 03:40 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:47:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8d8l$88g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-22 05:31 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:58:24 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr73m0$1hr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>> >>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>> is. >>>>>> >>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>> >>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>> is universal to all people. >>>> >>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>> >>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>> >> It fits. > >Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and dogshit dumb here, -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrfirs$rkc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1968031 |
On 2015-08-24 05:00 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:20:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrch7f$79g$2@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-23 03:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr9b7t$mcu$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-22 03:40 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:47:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8d8l$88g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-22 05:31 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:58:24 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr73m0$1hr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>> is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>> >>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>> >>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>> >>> It fits. >> >> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. > > I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and > dogshit dumb here, Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lhdntad9frqndkjurndf6ilqhd3pj8ltf1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1968722 |
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:49:20 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrfirs$rkc$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-24 05:00 AM, Attila < wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:20:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch7f$79g$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-23 03:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr9b7t$mcu$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-22 03:40 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:47:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8d8l$88g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-22 05:31 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:58:24 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr73m0$1hr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>>> >>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>>> >>>> It fits. >>> >>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. >> >> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and >> dogshit dumb here, > >Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking >about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. There is nothing there. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1969206 |
On 2015-08-25 08:26 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:49:20 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrfirs$rkc$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-24 05:00 AM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:20:23 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrch7f$79g$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-23 03:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:19:15 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr9b7t$mcu$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-22 03:40 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:47:40 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8d8l$88g$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-22 05:31 AM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:58:24 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr73m0$1hr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>>>> >>>>> It fits. >>>> >>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. >>> >>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and >>> dogshit dumb here, >> >> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking >> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. > > There is nothing there. There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can call themselves the Sages.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bdrqta9glln9ivae8gv68ni9m47e71gn4c@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1970025 |
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>> It fits. >>>>> >>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. >>>> >>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and >>>> dogshit dumb here, >>> >>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking >>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. >> >> There is nothing there. > >There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for >you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank >wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can >call themselves the Sages. In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired results. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1970268 |
On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It fits. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. >>>>> >>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and >>>>> dogshit dumb here, >>>> >>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking >>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. >>> >>> There is nothing there. >> >> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for >> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank >> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can >> call themselves the Sages. > > In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired > results. I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort is genuine.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ub9sta135hr8j9rsmj056vdl3drq6rne8k@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1970521 |
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mrkq9c$c1u$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mrivk3$l6u$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical >>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no >>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it >>>>>>>>>>>> is. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can >>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is >>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth >>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth >>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth >>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It fits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really >>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and >>>>>> dogshit dumb here, >>>>> >>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking >>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. >>>> >>>> There is nothing there. >>> >>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for >>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank >>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can >>> call themselves the Sages. >> >> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired >> results. > >I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort >is genuine. How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their effort? -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55D2C157.314D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1962402 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 20:04:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mqpu6g$mgr$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > > >On 2015-08-16 04:08 PM, Attila < wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 10:28:51 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > >> alt.atheism with message-id <mqouen$fsa$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2015-08-15 10:43 PM, talishi wrote: > >>>> niunian wrote: > >>>>> On 2015-08-15 06:36 PM, talishi wrote: > >>>>>> niunian wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Old Testament has at least two Gods. The first God is the God > >>>>>>> of creation who is the God of Eden. The second God is the God of > >>>>>>> Adam and Eve after they have sinned. The first God is the God of > >>>>>>> living, the giver of life who is always good. The second God is the > >>>>>>> God of sin who is always vengeful and evil. They are not the same > >>>>>>> God. The sin has introduced or manufactured another God in the > >>>>>>> place of the previous creation God. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It turns out the previous creation God was manufactured as well. > >>>>>> Humans have manufactured at least 5,000 of them. > >>>>> > >>>>> Are we talking about philosophy or are we talking about science? Make up > >>>>> your mind. > >>>> > >>>> We are talking about a unique form of literature that historically (and > >>>> even in the present day) translated to terrible physical action such as > >>>> war and beheadings. Certainly no one ever took "Dune" as scripture and > >>>> went out trying to kill "Harkonnens". > >>> > >>> The Bible is a spiritual teaching that explains the philosophy of life. > >>> If you are not interested in that, there is no point to talk about the > >>> Bible at all. Go back to your science class and stay away from > >>> philosophy, then you will not be bothered by what's in the Bible. > >> > >> The problem is not what is in that book of myth, it is the way so many > >> people not only insist it is true but demand everyone else must accept > >> it as true also. > >> > >> There is no reason to fear any god but many reasons to fear your > >> god-fearing neighbors. > > > >Then, it's the people you have a problem with, so why blame a book? > > A book is nothing more than a repository of words. It isn't to blame > for anything. > > Just because something is written down has nothing to do with whether > it contains any truth or not, and it's age does the same. There was no Attila the Hun, was there...he's gay.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <p0o5ta1rl56e1f8qjgsre0hc9d6jaellvu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1963134 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:23:35 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55D2C157.314D@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> The problem is not what is in that book of myth, it is the way so many >> >> people not only insist it is true but demand everyone else must accept >> >> it as true also. >> >> >> >> There is no reason to fear any god but many reasons to fear your >> >> god-fearing neighbors. >> > >> >Then, it's the people you have a problem with, so why blame a book? >> >> A book is nothing more than a repository of words. It isn't to blame >> for anything. >> >> Just because something is written down has nothing to do with whether >> it contains any truth or not, and it's age does the same. > > > >There was no Attila the Hun, was there...he's gay. The existence of Attila the Hun is verified by a number of historical accounts written by different people from different points of view and with no particular agenda to present or support. I have no idea if he was gay or not - that is irrelevant. I chose the name because of his alternate nickname - The Scourge of God. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55D2E3FC.478B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1963173 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:23:35 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55D2C157.314D@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >> >> The problem is not what is in that book of myth, it is the way so many > >> >> people not only insist it is true but demand everyone else must accept > >> >> it as true also. > >> >> > >> >> There is no reason to fear any god but many reasons to fear your > >> >> god-fearing neighbors. > >> > > >> >Then, it's the people you have a problem with, so why blame a book? > >> > >> A book is nothing more than a repository of words. It isn't to blame > >> for anything. > >> > >> Just because something is written down has nothing to do with whether > >> it contains any truth or not, and it's age does the same. > > > > > > > >There was no Attila the Hun, was there...he's gay. > > The existence of Attila the Hun is verified by a number of historical > accounts written by different people from different points of view and > with no particular agenda to present or support. But you wrote: "Just because something is written down has nothing to do with whether it contains any truth or not,.." So how do you know what accounts written by different people about Attila the Hun is true or not? Or Jesus Christ?
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9l67ta1kibsl723sv01e4t4uojbk2tket6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1963178 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:51:24 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55D2E3FC.478B@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:23:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55D2C157.314D@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> The problem is not what is in that book of myth, it is the way so many >> >> >> people not only insist it is true but demand everyone else must accept >> >> >> it as true also. >> >> >> >> >> >> There is no reason to fear any god but many reasons to fear your >> >> >> god-fearing neighbors. >> >> > >> >> >Then, it's the people you have a problem with, so why blame a book? >> >> >> >> A book is nothing more than a repository of words. It isn't to blame >> >> for anything. >> >> >> >> Just because something is written down has nothing to do with whether >> >> it contains any truth or not, and it's age does the same. >> > >> > >> > >> >There was no Attila the Hun, was there...he's gay. >> >> The existence of Attila the Hun is verified by a number of historical >> accounts written by different people from different points of view and >> with no particular agenda to present or support. > >But you wrote: > >"Just because something is written down has nothing to do with whether >it contains any truth or not,.." Correct. It requires verification by other unrelated sources, as many as possible. > > >So how do you know what accounts written by different people about >Attila the Hun is true or not? They are numerous, agree in detail, are by a variety of people from both his supporters and his enemies, and the people involved had no agenda to support. > >Or Jesus Christ? No evidence he ever existed, one single source commonly used that is not independently verified anywhere, the exact author or authors are unknown (or at least unverified), are hardly independent, all support the statements and claims made, and definitely have an agenda to support. Not to mention being translated numerous times into various other languages and having been edited as to content to insure conformity. A total failure in every respect. There is as much support for the existence of the Tooth Fairy. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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