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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-31 16:38 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 09:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 11:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-02 08:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 12:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 18:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 10:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-02 11:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-02 14:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 15:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 16:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 15:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-02 10:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 14:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-03 03:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-03 09:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-03 18:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-04 15:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-03 17:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-04 18:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-05 12:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-06 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-06 17:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:41 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-06 04:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:50 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-08 06:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 16:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-08 04:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 18:12 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 08:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 14:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 00:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 12:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 15:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-07 15:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-10 06:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-10 04:48 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-04 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:23 -0400
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 18:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <d2mo3rF176vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1955560 |
On 08/08/2015 13:57, talishi wrote: > On 08/07/2015 10:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? > > It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring > ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he isn't > our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, rather than > BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there was a Christ, and > even if there was, we don't think his birth was such a watershed. If I > had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita and add 753 years to every date. It's a bit of political correctness bum fluff. So now we use a non-Christian term invented to avoid giving potential offence to non-Christians and used it to date events when we fucked up the non-Christian world sixteen ways from Sunday. It's also quite inconsistent. We are expected to switch from AD to BCE but we keep the same count-from-the-birth-of-the allege-saviour numbering of years, and we do not bother to change religious names of days or months...
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq5db3$5cm$1@panix3.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1955680 |
In article <d2mo3rF176vU1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> said: > It's also quite inconsistent. We are expected to switch from AD > to BCE but we keep the same count-from-the-birth-of-the > allege-saviour numbering of years, and we do not bother to change > religious names of days or months... Well would *you* want to piss off Thor by changing "Thursday" to something else? -- wds
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5qtxx.9419$jj4.531@fx28.iad> |
| In reply to | #1955680 |
On 08/08/2015 12:12 PM, Alex W. wrote:
> On 08/08/2015 13:57, talishi wrote:
>> On 08/07/2015 10:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ?
>>
>> It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring
>> ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he isn't
>> our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, rather than
>> BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there was a Christ, and
>> even if there was, we don't think his birth was such a watershed. If I
>> had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita and add 753 years to every date.
>
> It's a bit of political correctness bum fluff.
> So now we use a non-Christian term invented to avoid giving potential
> offence to non-Christians and used it to date events when we fucked up
> the non-Christian world sixteen ways from Sunday.
>
> It's also quite inconsistent. We are expected to switch from AD to BCE
> but we keep the same count-from-the-birth-of-the allege-saviour
> numbering of years, and we do not bother to change religious names of
> days or months...
Alex, you just don't get it. To Jews some Jews are more equal than
others. Yeshua (Jesus) being one considered less equal.
It's funny there are those who can't bring themselves to say "AD" even
though it's in Latin and today nobody can even read cursive let alone
Latin! OF course what I see is a subconscious fear that just perhaps
Jesus just MIGHT have been the messiah and they didn't recognize it so
they have to censor out of their lives any hint that they might have
made a mistake. And they don't care if they have to reject all of human
history to keep their little minds comfortable!
Personally most Christians and even non-Christians find this blatant
political manipulation of historical fact to be offensive. Every time I
hear CE or BCE I find it totally offensive that a minor group is using
nothing but loud talking to fly in the face of centuries of Historical
usage.
So are Jews part of human history or not? It seems they really don't
want any part of any history but their own. And if they aren't part of
human history then we don't have to pay attention to them, do we?
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 08:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq7g7s$1ev$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1955836 |
On 8/8/2015 4:13 PM, benj wrote: > > Alex, you just don't get it. To Jews some Jews are more equal than > others. Yeshua (Jesus) being one considered less equal. > > It's funny there are those who can't bring themselves to say "AD" even > though it's in Latin and today nobody can even read cursive let alone > Latin! OF course what I see is a subconscious fear that just perhaps > Jesus just MIGHT have been the messiah and they didn't recognize it so > they have to censor out of their lives any hint that they might have > made a mistake. His truth is marching on! Glory, glory hallelujah. Harlow hit BJ with his ruler Harlow bopped him off the bean with a rotten tangerine He ain't gonna kook no more! -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 13:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq5d82$ag0$1@panix3.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1955560 |
In article <mq4qtg0ecl@news6.newsguy.com>, talishi <talishi@example.net> said: >> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? > > It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring > ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he > isn't our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, > rather than BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there > was a Christ, and even if there was, we don't think his birth was > such a watershed. If I had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita > and add 753 years to every date. And then we can sit here arguing about whether there's any evidence that this "Rome" ever actually existed... -- wds
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| From | Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 14:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <u3hcsad7icave51jt5mgs5rnt7v92ak89r@reader80.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #1955721 |
On 8 Aug 2015 13:11:30 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >In article <mq4qtg0ecl@news6.newsguy.com>, >talishi <talishi@example.net> said: > >>> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? >> >> It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring >> ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he >> isn't our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, >> rather than BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there >> was a Christ, and even if there was, we don't think his birth was >> such a watershed. If I had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita >> and add 753 years to every date. > >And then we can sit here arguing about whether there's any evidence >that this "Rome" ever actually existed... Except, of course, we can go and look at the buildings and read the inscriptions, which is much better evidence than any sort of written accounts. -- My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 14:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sancsa98tdcg4q8175q5n0e2sk25mvtp8g@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1955743 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:06:21 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> wrote: >On 8 Aug 2015 13:11:30 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December >Starr) wrote: > >>In article <mq4qtg0ecl@news6.newsguy.com>, >>talishi <talishi@example.net> said: >> >>>> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? >>> >>> It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring >>> ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he >>> isn't our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, >>> rather than BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there >>> was a Christ, and even if there was, we don't think his birth was >>> such a watershed. If I had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita >>> and add 753 years to every date. >> >>And then we can sit here arguing about whether there's any evidence >>that this "Rome" ever actually existed... > >Except, of course, we can go and look at the buildings and read the >inscriptions, which is much better evidence than any sort of written >accounts. They always use these stupid, dishonest analogies that insult the intelligence - because they are utterly certain their religious beliefs are true and cannot think outside the box. In the real world, Jesus is a religious belief. A possible composite character based on several different people who may or may not have existed. But Christians can't grasp the fact that non-Christians see it somewhat more objectively than Christians do. And in spite of the subject line, if Christians could think outside the box, they would understand that atheists are people outside it. They are people who don't happen to be any sort of theist, and cannot be describes as if they were inside it using doctrinal presumptions from inside it.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ra4esahkghtpoamgnlc0mt6n1cochv54v0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1955828 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:58:41 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <sancsa98tdcg4q8175q5n0e2sk25mvtp8g@4ax.com> wrote: >In the real world, Jesus is a religious belief. A possible composite >character based on several different people who may or may not have >existed. > >But Christians can't grasp the fact that non-Christians see it >somewhat more objectively than Christians do. Very well said. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 00:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1954387 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >>> etc. > >> >> > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> > > >> > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> connected to it? > >> > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >extinct at this day.” > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > verification from any other sources supporting him. How about this ....leading scholar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 05:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dvt8sal9je8add85co4q19rfjqc096gusm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1954664 |
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> > >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> > >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> > >> > >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >extinct at this day.” >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > >How about this ....leading scholar? >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 Many opinion but few verified independent facts. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 12:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1954729 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> > > >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> connected to it? > >> >> > >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> > >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> > > >> > > >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> > >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > >How about this ....leading scholar? > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > > Many opinion but few verified independent facts. I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... there are things that happen in the past.. they are 'events'. The events as they happen are the evidence. They are historical events that happen a certain way. They are the recollections of people who existed as they remember them. Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed????
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| From | gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 15:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mq357s$msa$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1955040 |
On 8/7/2015 2:22 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Attila < wrote: >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> Attila < wrote: >>>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>> Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>>> connected to it? >>>>>> >>>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>>> >>>>> “Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>> call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>> men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>> the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>> Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>> him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>> for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>> prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>> concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>> extinct at this day.” >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>>> >>>> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >>>> verification from any other sources supporting him. >>> >>> >>> How about this ....leading scholar? >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > > > > I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... > > there are things > that happen > in the past.. > they are 'events'. > > The events > as they happen > are the evidence. > They are historical events > that happen a certain way. > > They are the recollections > of people who existed > as they remember them. > > Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? > that makes sense, obviously Jesus and Buddah, and Adam all existed.
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 15:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p36asalh9f92mcl4ist3hccsdspa1128kc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1955107 |
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 15:42:24 -0500, gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: >On 8/7/2015 2:22 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> Attila < wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Attila < wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>> etc. > >>>>>>>>> And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>> Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >>>>>>> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >>>>>>> connected to it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >>>>>> > >>>>>> “Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >>>>>> call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >>>>>> men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >>>>>> the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >>>>>> Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >>>>>> him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >>>>>> for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >>>>>> prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >>>>>> concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >>>>>> extinct at this day.” >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >>>>> >>>>> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >>>>> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >>>>> verification from any other sources supporting him. >>>> > >>>> >>>> How about this ....leading scholar? >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > >>> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> >> >> >> I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> there are things >> that happen >> in the past.. >> they are 'events'. >> >> The events >> as they happen >> are the evidence. > >> They are historical events >> that happen a certain way. >> >> They are the recollections >> of people who existed >> as they remember them. >> >> Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> > >that makes sense, obviously Jesus and Buddah, and Adam all existed. We only point out the obvious problems with Josephus when they offer it as proof/evidence/etc (which we only ask for in a "put up or shut up" vein). They offer it as "evidence" without even thinking about it, and when the problems are pointed out, they go on the attack instead of addressing them. The conclusions are obvious.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 04:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <rvebsa1814u4d5194qrne1p39p7hikggs2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1955040 |
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> > >> > >> > >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > > > >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... Sure I do. > >there are things >that happen >in the past.. >they are 'events'. Yep. > >The events >as they happen >are the evidence. No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. > >They are historical events >that happen a certain way. If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. > >They are the recollections >of people who existed >as they remember them. Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? IOW, are they independent of each other? > >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person described? No supporting evidence. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1955450 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> >> connected to it? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> >> > >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >How about this ....leading scholar? > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > >> > >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > > > > > > > >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... > > Sure I do. > > > > >there are things > >that happen > >in the past.. > >they are 'events'. > > Yep. > > > > >The events > >as they happen > >are the evidence. > > No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. > > > > >They are historical events > >that happen a certain way. > > If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. > > > > >They are the recollections > >of people who existed > >as they remember them. > > Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? > Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? > > IOW, are they independent of each other? > > > > >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? > > Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. > > Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person > described? No supporting evidence. > Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as someone else? You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. One yellow page. One phone booth. A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call?
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <na5esa151sdovi4pqgl1sjpmppk4jbili2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1955704 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> > >> > >> > >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> Sure I do. >> >> > >> >there are things >> >that happen >> >in the past.. >> >they are 'events'. >> >> Yep. >> >> > >> >The events >> >as they happen >> >are the evidence. >> >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. >> >> > >> >They are historical events >> >that happen a certain way. >> >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. >> >> > >> >They are the recollections >> >of people who existed >> >as they remember them. >> >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? >> >> IOW, are they independent of each other? >> >> > >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. >> >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person >> described? No supporting evidence. >> > > >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >someone else? Who cares? In the real world there are and always have been many people who have the same name. > > > >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. > >One yellow page. > >One phone booth. > >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. > > >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? One the several that worked in every community. Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could have satisfied the demand for his or her services? Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C7B129.68BE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1956327 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> >> >> connected to it? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? > >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > >> >> > >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... > >> > >> Sure I do. > >> > >> > > >> >there are things > >> >that happen > >> >in the past.. > >> >they are 'events'. > >> > >> Yep. > >> > >> > > >> >The events > >> >as they happen > >> >are the evidence. > >> > >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. > >> > >> > > >> >They are historical events > >> >that happen a certain way. > >> > >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. > >> > >> > > >> >They are the recollections > >> >of people who existed > >> >as they remember them. > >> > >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? > >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? > >> > >> IOW, are they independent of each other? > >> > >> > > >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? > >> > >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. > >> > >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person > >> described? No supporting evidence. > >> > > > > > >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as > >someone else? > > Who cares? You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." > In the real world there are and always have been many > people who have the same name. > > > > > > > > >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. > > > >One yellow page. > > > >One phone booth. > > > >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. > > > > > >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? > > One the several that worked in every community. > > Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A > dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could > have satisfied the demand for his or her services? 250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people hanging out at the corner drug store. > > Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! They lay down for a living... Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands!
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5uqgsahj4llltli1pnha02vdg6qb24pnf1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1956614 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 12:59:37 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C7B129.68BE@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> >> >> >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> >> >> Sure I do. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >there are things >> >> >that happen >> >> >in the past.. >> >> >they are 'events'. >> >> >> >> Yep. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >The events >> >> >as they happen >> >> >are the evidence. >> >> >> >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are historical events >> >> >that happen a certain way. >> >> >> >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are the recollections >> >> >of people who existed >> >> >as they remember them. >> >> >> >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? >> >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? >> >> >> >> IOW, are they independent of each other? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> >> >> >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. >> >> >> >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person >> >> described? No supporting evidence. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >> >someone else? >> >> Who cares? > >You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." Pointing out something that is obvious is hardly bringing something up. I was simply stopping an invalid point before it started. > >> In the real world there are and always have been many >> people who have the same name. >> >> > >> > >> > >> >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. >> > >> >One yellow page. >> > >> >One phone booth. >> > >> >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. >> > >> > >> >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? >> >> One the several that worked in every community. >> >> Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A >> dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could >> have satisfied the demand for his or her services? > > >250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... >divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people >hanging out at the corner drug store. Enough to have more than one person in any particular profession, especially if it was one that was widely needed. > > > > >> >> Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. > >Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! > >They lay down for a living... > >Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... > Actually I have not found it necessary - there have been enough volunteers. And usually such people get little sleep. > > >Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... > > > >But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... >since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands! Probably like today, they came in all sorts of size, color, and flavor. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pldksallnd38j8jpnshv9kg98a30ifpm5q@4ax.com> |
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 12:59:37 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> >> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id >> >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >> >> >> >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> >> >> >> >> connected to it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” >> >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 >> >> >> >> >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... >> >> >> >> Sure I do. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >there are things >> >> >that happen >> >> >in the past.. >> >> >they are 'events'. >> >> >> >> Yep. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >The events >> >> >as they happen >> >> >are the evidence. >> >> >> >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are historical events >> >> >that happen a certain way. >> >> >> >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >They are the recollections >> >> >of people who existed >> >> >as they remember them. >> >> >> >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? >> >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? >> >> >> >> IOW, are they independent of each other? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? >> >> >> >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. >> >> >> >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person >> >> described? No supporting evidence. >> >> >> > >> > >> >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as >> >someone else? >> >> Who cares? > >You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." Attila doesn't have a clue. > > > > > > > >> In the real world there are and always have been many >> people who have the same name. >> >> > >> > >> > >> >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. >> > >> >One yellow page. >> > >> >One phone booth. >> > >> >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. >> > >> > >> >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? >> >> One the several that worked in every community. >> >> Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A >> dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could >> have satisfied the demand for his or her services? > > >250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... >divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people >hanging out at the corner drug store. > > > > >> >> Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. > >Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! > >They lay down for a living... > >Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... > > > > >Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... > > > >But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... >since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands! the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| Date | 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C7B4BA.5965@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1956327 |
Greg Goss wrote: > > Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker > > >>Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as > >>someone else? > > > >Who cares? In the real world there are and always have been many > >people who have the same name. > > "Jesus" is a modified version of "Joshua". Many kids in Israel were > named after the most famous general in the country's history. His > parents "Mary" and "Joseph" were pretty much the most common names in > the culture. I understand that in the Italian Mafia there are a lot of guys named..Paulie, but how many "Mary" and "Joseph" are in the bible?? How many guys named Jesus Christ were there??? This planet has 6 billion people. How many guys named Greg Goss are there? There are 6 billion people today on this planet...honestly, how many people you know with the same name as someone else? Now, if you ask me...I don't know any girls named Mary, and maybe one guy named Joesph... I used to know a girl named Mary, but that was years and years ago. I haven't met another Mary since. What is your sister's name?
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