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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-02 12:16 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-02 18:05 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-02 22:08 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-02 22:52 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 06:08 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 10:25 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:25 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-03 18:16 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 03:58 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 13:33 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-03 17:29 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 23:48 +0200
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:53 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 03:14 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:52 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gray <savagegraycork@friends.gsl> - 2015-06-06 12:58 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:35 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-07 11:08 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:09 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 08:42 -0400
                        For some, "God" is their hero, their aspiration, the dream. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-07 07:12 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:38 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-07 11:21 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-07 08:53 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 11:06 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:50 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-08 00:17 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 19:07 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:38 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 21:30 +0200
                      Besides me, no one here has defined the word "God". Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-07 07:53 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-07 11:02 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 18:37 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-04 03:57 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:55 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:54 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:47 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:53 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-06 20:25 +0000
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:12 +0200
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 06:53 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:02 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:01 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-07 11:54 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:52 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:27 +0000
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:22 +0000
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:55 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:54 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-07 18:10 -0700
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-07 18:57 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 11:30 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 17:07 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:58 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-05 22:28 +0000
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:54 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-06 13:14 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:15 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:03 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 21:40 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:35 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-07 21:32 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:34 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-07 16:26 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-04 18:34 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 21:19 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:59 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-04 18:35 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:56 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 10:52 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 20:01 +0200
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 13:32 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 23:56 +0200
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 18:06 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-04 12:53 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 11:35 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:03 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:39 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 13:26 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-06 04:42 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 14:18 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:04 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:57 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:56 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-06 13:15 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-04 19:53 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-05 13:39 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 05:58 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:07 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-05 17:46 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:05 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:33 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:58 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 03:45 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 12:00 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:19 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:20 -0500
                                Earl Weber lies. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-07 12:04 -0400
                                  Re: Earl Weber lies. Mike Painter <md.painter@outlook.com> - 2015-06-07 12:25 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 21:48 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:38 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:04 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:34 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:21 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:02 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:01 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:44 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 12:01 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:00 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-06-03 17:31 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-03 16:41 -0500

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From	Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date	2015-06-07 06:53 -0500
Message-ID	<m2c8nahgi2p9oofoseorocbtfbobb9almt@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1919149

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:12:52 +0200, "Malte Runz"
<malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:

>"Smiler"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkvl06$4mi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> > Atheism is a decision.
>>
>> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>
>Show me a person, who says he can decide to believe in something, and I'll 
>show you a person who is faking it.
>
>(snip)

These morons live in their own little fantasy world, where you have to
force yourself not to believe in their pretend friend.

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#1919342

From	duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date	2015-06-07 10:02 -0500
Message-ID	<u6n8na5hgg33k37h1kupi970a5i3cerdeg@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1919168

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 06:53:37 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:12:52 +0200, "Malte Runz"
><malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:
>
>>"Smiler"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkvl06$4mi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> > Atheism is a decision.
>>>
>>> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>
>>Show me a person, who says he can decide to believe in something, and I'll 
>>show you a person who is faking it.
>>
>>(snip)

>These morons live in their own little fantasy world, where you have to
>force yourself not to believe in their pretend friend.

Welcome to your world.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1919341

From	duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date	2015-06-07 10:01 -0500
Message-ID	<jqm8nah0o71vqu88vb6ofr7eps0amkgrt0@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1919149

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:12:52 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:

>"Smiler"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkvl06$4mi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> > Atheism is a decision.
>>
>> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>
>Show me a person, who says he can decide to believe in something, and I'll 
>show you a person who is faking it.

When your knowledge and power of logic and reason make it possible.   People
just don't "decide to believe".   The world around self guides us to
suspect/believe that something bigger than us is at work.  Even the caveman
looked out at the lights in the night sky and suspected something big was at
work.

Some young people get that feeling.  Others of us take half of our lifetime.

There really is no such thing as an atheist, one who rejects the presence of
God.  All he can do is reject the evidence that confronts him and thus he can
only be an agnostic..  

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1919399

From	"Tim" <me@rsabc.com>
Date	2015-06-07 11:54 -0400
Message-ID	<ml1pg6$rje$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#1919341


"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:jqm8nah0o71vqu88vb6ofr7eps0amkgrt0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:12:52 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> 
> wrote:
>
>>"Smiler"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkvl06$4mi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> > Atheism is a decision.
>>>
>>> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>
>>Show me a person, who says he can decide to believe in something, and I'll
>>show you a person who is faking it.
>
> When your knowledge and power of logic and reason make it possible.

You don't have a clue about logic or reason, faith boy.

 > People
> just don't "decide to believe".   The world around self guides us to
> suspect/believe that something bigger than us is at work.  Even the 
> caveman
> looked out at the lights in the night sky and suspected something big was 
> at
> work.


Children think there's a Santa, adults know better.

>
> Some young people get that feeling.  Others of us take half of our 
> lifetime.
>
> There really is no such thing as an atheist, one who rejects the presence 
> of
> God.  All he can do is reject the evidence that confronts him and thus he 
> can
> only be an agnostic..

You're an idiot who holds beliefs without evidence and who uses words he 
doesn't understand.

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#1919484

From	HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date	2015-06-07 12:52 -0400
Message-ID	<ml1sqn$ama$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#1919341

On 6/7/2015 11:01 AM, duke wrote:
>
> When your knowledge and power of logic and reason make it possible.   People
> just don't "decide to believe".   The world around self guides us to
> suspect/believe that something bigger than us is at work.  Even the caveman
> looked out at the lights in the night sky and suspected something big was at
> work.


But that was 30,000 years ago. Some went on to be rid of superstition.

Some didn't.


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#1919711

From	Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date	2015-06-07 22:27 +0000
Message-ID	<ml2gfr$foq$5@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#1919341

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 10:01:37 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:12:52 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
> wrote:
> 
>>"Smiler"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkvl06$4mi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> > Atheism is a decision.
>>>
>>> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>
>>Show me a person, who says he can decide to believe in something, and
>>I'll show you a person who is faking it.
> 
> When your knowledge and power of logic and reason make it possible.  
> People just don't "decide to believe". 

Exactly as people don't "decide not to believe".

>  The world around self guides us
> to suspect/believe that something bigger than us is at work.  Even the
> caveman looked out at the lights in the night sky and suspected
> something big was at work.
> 
> Some young people get that feeling.  Others of us take half of our
> lifetime.
> 
> There really is no such thing as an atheist, one who rejects the
> presence of God.  All he can do is reject the evidence that confronts
> him and thus he can only be an agnostic..

Provide evidence, puke. But we both know that's impossible, as you have 
none. Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#1919705

From	Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date	2015-06-07 22:22 +0000
Message-ID	<ml2g6q$foq$4@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#1919149

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:12:52 +0200, Malte Runz wrote:

> "Smiler"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkvl06$4mi$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
>> > Atheism is a decision.
>>
>> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
> 
> Show me a person, who says he can decide to believe in something, and
> I'll show you a person who is faking it.
> 
> (snip)

But lying puke _will_ claim he did decide to believe.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#1919336

From	duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date	2015-06-07 09:55 -0500
Message-ID	<lrl8naha4f9n4vilo96vd5tho74njcg3h5@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1918800

On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net> 
>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome to
>>>>>>> >>>alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
>>>>>> >>God".
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>
>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off all
>>>those atheist infants in the creche.
>> 
>> Atheism is a decision. 
>
>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?

As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my graduation from
college, but I never came close to deciding "why a God" .  I had the same doubts
as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I persisted, avoiding Church. But
eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at life.  So I
began to seek truth.  By study, reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to
see what I had totally missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I
returned to see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with
myself now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
as myself.

>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>Do babies believe in a god?

No.  It's a gradual learning.  And it's not until the mid teens before  a person
can truthfully begin to make that decision.  

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1919741

From	Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date	2015-06-07 22:54 +0000
Message-ID	<ml2i2h$foq$6@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#1919336

On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
>>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome
>>>>>>>> >>>to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
>>>>>>> >>God".
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
>>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
>>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>
>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>> 
>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>
>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
> 
> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
> God". 

Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were brainwashed. 
Your belief was decided for you by your parents.

> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
> persisted, avoiding Church. 

That's not atheism.

> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
> life.

And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.

> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with myself

A drunk is happier than a sober man.

> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
> as myself.

Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the 
USA.

>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>Do babies believe in a god?
> 
> No.  

Therefore, they are atheists.

> It's a gradual learning. 

= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will remain 
atheists, no decision needed.

> And it's not until the mid teens before 
> a person can truthfully begin to make that decision.

You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental indoctrination.

> *****
> "Peadophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#1919938

From	Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date	2015-06-07 18:10 -0700
Message-ID	<hlwdjsd2-52AE1E.18100907062015@news.giganews.com>
In reply to	#1919741

In article <ml2i2h$foq$6@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king> 
wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >duke wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
> >>>>>>> >>wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
> >>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome
> >>>>>>>> >>>to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
> >>>>>>> >>God".
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
> >>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
> >>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
> >>>>> The village idiot dreams.
> >>>>
> >>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
> >>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
> >>> 
> >>> Atheism is a decision.
> >>
> >>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
> > 
> > As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
> > graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
> > God". 
> 
> Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were brainwashed. 
> Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
> 
> > I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
> > persisted, avoiding Church. 
> 
> That's not atheism.
> 
> > But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
> > life.
> 
> And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
> 
> > So I began to seek truth.  By study,
> > reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
> > missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
> > see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with myself
> 
> A drunk is happier than a sober man.
> 
> > now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
> > as myself.
> 
> Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the 
> USA.
> 
> >>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
> >>Do babies believe in a god?
> > 
> > No.  
> 
> Therefore, they are atheists.
> 
> > It's a gradual learning. 
> 
> = Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will remain 
> atheists, no decision needed.


Hello.

-- 

JD

Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider
evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.

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#1919996

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-06-07 18:57 -0700
Message-ID	<5574F683.618E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#1918800

Smiler wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> >duke wrote:
> >>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
> >>>>> >>wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
> >>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
> >>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome to
> >>>>>> >>>alt.atheism, you're in good company.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
> >>>>> >>God".
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
> >>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
> >>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
> >>> The village idiot dreams.
> >>
> >>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off all
> >>those atheist infants in the creche.
> >
> > Atheism is a decision.
> 
> When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
> 
> > Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
> 
> Do babies believe in a god?
> 
> > *****
> > "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> > Pope Paul VI *****
> 
> --
> Smiler, The godless one.
> aa #2279
> Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
> to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Belief in God is created in all...babies, people....it's in your
genes...dna. it's ...encoded, programmed inside you. Ver.1.0.

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#1916984

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-06-04 11:30 -0700
Message-ID	<5570992E.2EC3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#1916117

talishi wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > talishi wrote:
> >> >
> >> >The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> > >Atheist don't believe in a good God, only in a Bad God.
> >> >
> >> >We don't believe in any god, good or bad.  But the god painted by the
> >> >scriptures sure as shit is a bad one.  God, for instance, opining on the
> >> >Amalekites: "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and
> >> >infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
> >
> > You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's the authors
> > who are the bad people.
> 
> Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   


Where did you get this "word of God" business from?

There is no one that 'actually' believes the bible is the word of
God....


this is the year 2015, not 9BC.


You atheists are a little behind times...get wit the program.

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#1917157

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-06-04 17:07 -0700
Message-ID	<5570E82C.1324@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#1916984

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> talishi wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > talishi wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> > >Atheist don't believe in a good God, only in a Bad God.
> > >> >
> > >> >We don't believe in any god, good or bad.  But the god painted by the
> > >> >scriptures sure as shit is a bad one.  God, for instance, opining on the
> > >> >Amalekites: "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and
> > >> >infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
> > >
> > > You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's the authors
> > > who are the bad people.
> >
> > Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
> 
> Where did you get this "word of God" business from?
> 
> There is no one that 'actually' believes the bible is the word of
> God....
> 
> this is the year 2015, not 9BC.
> 
> You atheists are a little behind times...get wit the program.


Of course...if I'm wrong..if there is anybody out there that believe the
bible is the 'word of God' raise your hand or say aye.


i suspect the only people who believe the bible is the word of God
are...athiest.

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#1917823

From	duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date	2015-06-05 15:58 -0500
Message-ID	<d934nah6chuqlq69rp568pkdl38j09pu1o@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1917157

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:07:08 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> talishi wrote:
>> >
>> > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > talishi wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >The Starmaker wrote:
>> > >>> > >Atheist don't believe in a good God, only in a Bad God.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >We don't believe in any god, good or bad.  But the god painted by the
>> > >> >scriptures sure as shit is a bad one.  God, for instance, opining on the
>> > >> >Amalekites: "Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and
>> > >> >infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
>> > >
>> > > You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's the authors
>> > > who are the bad people.
>> >
>> > Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>> 
>> Where did you get this "word of God" business from?
>> 
>> There is no one that 'actually' believes the bible is the word of
>> God....
>> 
>> this is the year 2015, not 9BC.
>> 
>> You atheists are a little behind times...get wit the program.
>
>
>Of course...if I'm wrong..if there is anybody out there that believe the
>bible is the 'word of God' raise your hand or say aye.

Do you know that you are outnumbered 10:1 with just us Christians.   It's about
13:1 if you include the Jews.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1917946

From	Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date	2015-06-05 22:28 +0000
Message-ID	<mkt7r9$upr$8@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#1917823

On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 15:58:13 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:07:08 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>> 
>>> talishi wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The Starmaker wrote:
>>> > > talishi wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >The Starmaker wrote:
>>> > >>> > >Atheist don't believe in a good God, only in a Bad God.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >We don't believe in any god, good or bad.  But the god painted
>>> > >> >by the scriptures sure as shit is a bad one.  God, for instance,
>>> > >> >opining on the Amalekites: "Do not spare them; put to death men
>>> > >> >and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and
>>> > >> >donkeys."
>>> > >
>>> > > You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's the
>>> > > authors who are the bad people.
>>> >
>>> > Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>> 
>>> Where did you get this "word of God" business from?
>>> 
>>> There is no one that 'actually' believes the bible is the word of
>>> God....
>>> 
>>> this is the year 2015, not 9BC.
>>> 
>>> You atheists are a little behind times...get wit the program.
>>
>>
>>Of course...if I'm wrong..if there is anybody out there that believe the
>>bible is the 'word of God' raise your hand or say aye.
> 
> Do you know that you are outnumbered 10:1 with just us Christians.  
> It's about 13:1 if you include the Jews.

Do you know that we are outnumbered 1000:1 by flies?
Should humans, therefore, feed their children with shit?

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****





-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#1918666

From	duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date	2015-06-06 11:54 -0500
Message-ID	<ed96nahgf7japo9btft2glo2vnlkaoqmd5@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1917946

On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:28:57 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 15:58:13 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:07:08 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> talishi wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> > > talishi wrote:
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> > >>> > >Atheist don't believe in a good God, only in a Bad God.
>>>> > >> >
>>>> > >> >We don't believe in any god, good or bad.  But the god painted
>>>> > >> >by the scriptures sure as shit is a bad one.  God, for instance,
>>>> > >> >opining on the Amalekites: "Do not spare them; put to death men
>>>> > >> >and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and
>>>> > >> >donkeys."
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's the
>>>> > > authors who are the bad people.
>>>> >
>>>> > Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>>> 
>>>> Where did you get this "word of God" business from?
>>>> 
>>>> There is no one that 'actually' believes the bible is the word of
>>>> God....
>>>> 
>>>> this is the year 2015, not 9BC.
>>>> 
>>>> You atheists are a little behind times...get wit the program.
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course...if I'm wrong..if there is anybody out there that believe the
>>>bible is the 'word of God' raise your hand or say aye.
>> 
>> Do you know that you are outnumbered 10:1 with just us Christians.  
>> It's about 13:1 if you include the Jews.
>
>Do you know that we are outnumbered 1000:1 by flies?
>Should humans, therefore, feed their children with shit?

If you are an atheist wannabe, that's exactly what you do.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1918697

From	"Tim" <me@rsabc.com>
Date	2015-06-06 13:14 -0400
Message-ID	<mkv9p9$c5h$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#1918666


"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message 
news:ed96nahgf7japo9btft2glo2vnlkaoqmd5@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:28:57 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

<snip>

>>Do you know that we are outnumbered 1000:1 by flies?
>>Should humans, therefore, feed their children with shit?
>
> If you are an atheist wannabe, that's exactly what you do.

You're the atheist wannabe, you proved this when you claimed that there is 
only one god.

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#1919151

From	"Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
Date	2015-06-07 13:15 +0200
Message-ID	<557427cc$0$23208$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>
In reply to	#1918666

"duke"  skrev i meddelelsen 
news:ed96nahgf7japo9btft2glo2vnlkaoqmd5@4ax.com...

(snip)

> If you are an atheist wannabe, that's exactly what you do.

What's an "atheist wannabe"? Somebody who's trying to give up his belief in 
a god?



-- 
Malte Runz

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#1919346

From	duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date	2015-06-07 10:03 -0500
Message-ID	<q8n8na94vc7ond2t73dvjiqabpidga6ifu@4ax.com>
In reply to	#1919151

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:15:24 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:

>"duke"  skrev i meddelelsen 
>news:ed96nahgf7japo9btft2glo2vnlkaoqmd5@4ax.com...
>
>(snip)
>
>> If you are an atheist wannabe, that's exactly what you do.
>
>What's an "atheist wannabe"? Somebody who's trying to give up his belief in 
>a god?

One who is really only an agnostic.   No man can say "there is NO God".  All he
can say is that he is not convinced by the evidence.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1919612

From	"Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
Date	2015-06-07 21:40 +0200
Message-ID	<55749e14$1$23223$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>
In reply to	#1919346

"duke"  skrev i meddelelsen 
news:q8n8na94vc7ond2t73dvjiqabpidga6ifu@4ax.com...
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 13:15:24 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> 
> wrote:
>
> >"duke"  skrev i meddelelsen
> >news:ed96nahgf7japo9btft2glo2vnlkaoqmd5@4ax.com...
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >> If you are an atheist wannabe, that's exactly what you do.
> >
> >What's an "atheist wannabe"? Somebody who's trying to give up his belief 
> >in
> >a god?
>
> One who is really only an agnostic.   No man can say "there is NO God". 
> All he
> can say is that he is not convinced by the evidence.

There is no evidence, and that's why I don't believe there are any gods. 
Called it whatever you want, but stop telling me what I believe.


-- 
Malte Runz

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