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Re: Atheism is Communism.

From "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups alt.atheism
Subject Re: Atheism is Communism.
Date 2016-10-28 09:09 +1100
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On 27/10/2016 20:28, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 12:17:31 AM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 10:21:35 PM UTC-7, Jeanne Douglas
>> wrote:
>>> In article <e7cootFm2ucU1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W."
>>> <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/10/2016 19:31, Cloud Hobbit wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:20:37 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL! Is that why the Soviets persecuted Christians and
>>>>>> closed their churches, you fucking idiot?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes of course it is, you fucking idiot.  The Soviets could
>>>>> not afford to have any other authority but the State.  Having
>>>>> people thinking god told them to overthrow them was not an
>>>>> option they wanted left open.  Churches can be used to
>>>>> disseminate anti-government propaganda.
>>>>
>>>> Look at Poland.  There, the Catholic Church was a massively
>>>> important focus for dissent and was materially responsible for
>>>> the fall of the Socialist regime.  Without the church, Lech
>>>> Walesa and his trade union movement would not have succeeded.
>>>
>>>
>>> And now the women of Poland are standing up to the Church and the
>>>  government who are trying to take away women's rights.
>>
>> You mean abortion???
>>
>> 1. That fetus inside the woman is not piece of trash, but a human
>> life
>>
> It's a potential life.

.... up to the point where the foetus is viable outside its mother's 
body.  Then potential transforms into actuality.


>
>> 2.Just because it is inside the woman does not mean it is her
>> personal property
>>
> Why not?  Who else could rationally claim what is inside of her?

The father-to-be would have at least a moral claim, if he is willing to 
take the responsibility.  And if not a moral claim to the baby-to-be, 
then at the very least a claim to be consulted in the decision.


>
>> 3.If she did not want to get pregnant, she should have used
>> contraceptives.
>>
>
> Sometimes contraceptives fail.  Condoms break.  Birth control pills
> are 98% effective,that means they fail 2% ofthe time.

... and sometimes, men do not hear when the woman says "no".


>
>> 4.Don't give me the "I can do anything I want with my body"
>> bullshit. There have been legal restrictions on a human's use of
>> their body for centuries. Prostitution is illegal and so is use of
>> heroin,cocaine, methamphetamines and opium.
>
> Just because there have been laws against certain behaviors does not
> make them sensible.  The state has no interest in what somebody does
> with their body.  If your body is not your property, then who does it
> belong to?  Either a person is the owner of their body or the state
> is.  You can't have it both ways.

Your argument implies that ownership is total, absolute, unencumbered by 
responsibility towards others.  I would like to see something more than 
this mere assertion.

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