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Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages

From	"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism
Subject	Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages
Date	2015-08-06 14:16 +0200
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On 06/08/2015 13:46, Tom McDonald wrote:
> On 8/5/2015 11:20 PM, AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 9:14:49 PM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>
> <huge mercy-snip>
>
>>> Some tribes are what is commonly called primitive and have never
>>> developed their language beyond what was needed in their
>>> comfortable environment. That doesn't mean that, if they move or
>>> their environment changes, that their language can't change or
>>> become more complex or even less complex due to the changes in how
>>> they have to live. In such cases there is always more than one
>>> answer or explanation for how people behave or develop or even fall
>>> back, as far as their culture and language is concerned.
>>
>> excuses, excuses
>>
>> you could never say, "you Johnboi, me Michelleolivegoiyo."
>>
> Every human being, every human group, has been evolving for precisely
> the same length of time. There are no 'primitive' groups that somehow
> just started speaking a few generations ago. We've been speaking for at
> least hundreds of thousands of years, and every human group descends
> from people who had language for that length of time.

In this context, it might be worth reading up on language deprivation 
experiments where newborn children were denied exposure to any sort of 
language in an effort to find the "original" human language.  Very cruel 
actions in the name of science....

>
> So there are no 'primitive' languages in the sense that they just
> started a little while ago and have to 'catch up' to other, more
> long-developed languages.

There are a few instances of "spontaneous" language development, such as 
Creoles or several instances of deaf sign language evolving from 
scratch.  Hugely interesting ....

>
> Some languages are simpler in grammar, syntax, vocabulary, etc., than
> others. And some of the languages you, Jonniboi, think are 'primitive'
> are in fact the most complex and difficult languages of all.

"Primitive" is in any case a matter of definition and perspective.  Is a 
degree of complication primitive or sophisticated?  Is the spread or 
ease of learning a language primitive or sophisticated?  It all boils 
down to one's personal bias and philosophical predilections....

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Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-01 22:19 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-01 22:54 -0700
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-02 08:34 -0700
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 11:07 -0700
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 11:24 -0700
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-02 18:43 -0700
            Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-03 10:06 -0700
            Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-03 10:18 -0700
              Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-03 15:48 -0500
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-03 19:37 -0700
              Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-03 19:30 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-04 08:49 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-08-04 17:30 -0400
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-04 14:55 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-04 17:22 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-08-04 21:43 +0000
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-04 14:54 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-04 17:11 -0500
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 21:01 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-05 21:10 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-08-05 01:19 +0200
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-08-05 19:05 +0200
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-04 17:17 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-05 13:31 +0200
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-05 20:57 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 21:14 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-05 21:20 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 21:43 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-06 06:46 -0500
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-06 14:16 +0200
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-06 12:26 -0500
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 12:41 +0200
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-08 06:19 -0500
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-08 05:55 -0700
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 18:42 +0200
                Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 21:41 -0700
            Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hhyapster@gmail.com - 2015-08-04 16:59 -0700
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 15:32 -0400
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 10:39 -0500
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages MarkA <someone@somewhere.invalid> - 2015-08-02 19:03 +0000
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 21:46 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-02 07:28 -0700
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-02 08:35 -0700
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-02 10:44 -0700
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-05 21:52 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 07:49 -0700
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:23 -0500
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 10:44 -0700
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-02 10:57 -0700
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-08-02 21:21 +0000
            Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 18:51 -0500
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-03 18:53 +0200
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 13:14 -0500
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 09:09 -0700
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-02 17:38 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages regniermarco3@gmail.com - 2015-08-02 08:02 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages regniermarco3@gmail.com - 2015-08-02 08:02 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:20 -0700
    Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-02 18:41 -0700
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 21:59 -0700
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages AsteroidSeven@yahoo.com - 2015-08-02 22:44 -0700
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 06:34 -0700
            Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-03 11:22 -0500
              Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2015-08-03 09:47 -0700
              Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-03 14:41 -0500
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-03 00:03 -0700
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-03 08:24 -0500
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-03 10:25 -0700
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Planet Visitor II <nappy@nosuchserver.com> - 2015-08-03 13:56 -0400
          Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 18:18 -0700
            Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Planet Visitor II <nappy@nosuchserver.com> - 2015-08-05 17:23 -0400
              Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:35 -0700
      Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages hypatiab7 <hypatiab7@comcast.net> - 2015-08-03 10:50 -0700
        Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:19 -0700
  Re: Defies Evolution Fraud: Languages rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2015-08-02 12:30 -0700

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