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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

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Subject Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?
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Kaptain Krunch wrote:
> 
> In article <neqrdo$git$1@dont-email.me>,
>  "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 4/14/16 6:46 PM, Kaptain Krunch wrote:
> > > In article <neoh16$3km$1@dont-email.me>,
> > >   "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 4/13/16 8:15 PM, Kaptain Krunch wrote:
> > >>> In article <nem9or$uet$2@dont-email.me>,
> > >>>    "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 4/13/16 3:37 PM, duke wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:23:51 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:49:30 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in
> > >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
> > >>>>>> <9krpgb58m1ga8ll49355p4d2qm6ab33329@4ax.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> You're that much closer to the flames.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I do intend to be cremated, remember?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> That's just short-term precooking for the atheist.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> More superstition-based threats.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well, yes, I'm easy.  You're going to have to deal with God and you
> > >>>>> can't
> > >>>>> win.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  You assume that not only does God exist, but that you actually are the
> > >>>> guy with the right interpretation of what he wants. Given how many sects
> > >>>> of Christianity alone, let alone other religions, exist, why should
> > >>>> anyone believe that you've got it right? (don't say "The Bible" -- same
> > >>>> problem, so many Bible versions and interpretations of it).
> > >>>>
> > >>> AGREED.  So what is YOUR interpretation?  Here is the text:  "God so
> > >>> loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever
> > >>> believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3
> > >>> KJV)  This is the English of the 1600s.  What is he saying?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>    Well, that's a 1600s interpretation of a text that was probably written
> > >> in what, Greek or Latin, and that was translated from another language
> > >> (Aramaic?). So I'm not sure that it's even coming close to the original
> > >> meaning. If *I* were reading that, my question would be "then where are
> > >> all these immortal people that should be around?", since anyone who
> > >> believed in Jesus and his God should be still alive.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    Note that my personal view is that of someone raised with no awareness
> > >> of active religion until I was in my very late teens or early 20s, so
> > >> that as far as I'm concerned there's no difference between the Bible and
> > >> my D'Aulaire's Greek Myths or Grimm's Fairy Tales. They're stories
> > >> people told that had significance to them, but exactly how they
> > >> connected with anything real is often unknown, and sometimes unknowable.
> > >>
> > >>    If God gives a crap about whether I believe in Him/Her/It, they'll have
> > >> to show me directly, because they made sure I was raised in a way that
> > >> made just believing in them without evidence (and old books without
> > >> scientific backing aren't evidence) impossible.
> > >>
> > > NOT ENOUGH You stated <sic>so many Bible versions and interpretations of
> > > it).  I ask again WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION? (John 3:16 above)
> > > Jimbo
> > >
> >
> >
> >       I did, if you read above. My interpretation would be "Believe in this
> > guy and you will be immortal". Which leads me to the question of where
> > all those immortal people are, since surely SOME people must have
> > believed in the two thousand years or so since.

I bet you look like your parents...why is that?

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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-04-14 12:41 -0400
  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-04-14 13:55 -0400
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> - 2016-04-14 15:53 -0700
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:34 +0000
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-04-21 15:58 -0400
  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> - 2016-04-14 15:46 -0700
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-04-15 09:50 -0400
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kaptain Krunch <pilgrim2@polypen.com> - 2016-04-17 12:12 -0700
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-17 17:57 -0700
  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-04-21 15:47 -0400
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-21 15:51 -0500
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-04-21 17:16 -0400
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-04-21 22:19 -0400
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-04-24 12:53 -0400
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2016-04-24 13:54 -0400
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-24 13:32 -0500
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 23:06 -0700
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 08:26 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 09:47 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 14:42 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-27 15:59 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 14:47 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-27 18:47 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 18:57 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 03:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-28 15:05 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-04-28 11:53 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 10:59 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-04-28 14:32 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 19:07 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-29 12:25 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-29 16:37 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2016-04-28 19:48 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-29 13:23 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? SPQR <SPQR@SPQR.org> - 2016-04-29 14:45 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-30 09:06 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 00:25 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 11:16 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-04-28 14:30 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 13:54 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 14:22 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-04-28 16:12 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2016-04-28 19:41 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 21:35 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-04-28 23:51 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-04-28 16:05 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 19:13 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 19:10 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 14:00 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 19:17 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2016-04-28 19:36 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-29 03:39 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2016-04-29 00:45 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-29 15:11 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-29 13:18 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-29 15:04 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-04-29 17:50 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-30 16:59 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 16:29 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 16:17 -0700
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-26 16:46 -0500
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 16:31 -0700
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 16:09 -0700
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 00:31 -0700
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? bilgat@m.nu - 2016-04-28 08:18 -0500
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 11:25 -0400
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-28 11:27 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-04-28 11:39 -0600
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-29 13:24 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-04-29 14:40 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-30 09:11 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-30 17:06 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-01 09:56 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-01 16:01 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-03 12:48 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-03 11:55 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-30 17:05 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-01 09:57 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-01 16:00 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-03 12:48 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? JimmyJohn <Non@Jtheist.net> - 2016-05-01 10:14 -0600
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-04-28 19:18 -0400

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