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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

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Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:23:09 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <55D8CC1D.533F@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:18:24 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <55D82240.7A8A@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Attila < wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:19:37 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> >> <55D787D9.5207@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Can you give an example of
> >> >> >> >> >an "unrelated source", ...i'm trying to help you here but i must be clear first on what you are requiring.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Start with something that has absolutely no connection whatsoever with
> >> >> >> >> your bible or any one mentioned in it.  A totally unrelated source
> >> >> >> >> that  has no agenda to support by reporting items to support that
> >> >> >> >> agenda.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Think of a courtroom in which witnesses other than the defendant's
> >> >> >> >> friends and relatives present testimony.   Think of forensic evidence
> >> >> >> >> unrelated to any so-called 'eyewitness'.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What that evidence could be is up to you, but remember the more
> >> >> >> >> unlikely the subject the higher the level of required evidence.  What
> >> >> >> >> would be needed to support the existence of a god would require about
> >> >> >> >> the best that would be possible since the likelihood of a god is
> >> >> >> >> highly improbable.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >How about The Laws of Physics?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How about them?  They are constantly tested, verified, and modified
> >> >> >> where necessary.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Laws of Physics is GOD. The Law of Physics come from GOD..
> >> >>
> >> >> OK  You just made two assertions.  Now provide evidence to support
> >> >> them.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Are you saying The Laws of Physics are constantly tested, verified, and modified
> >> >where necessary, and nobody know where The Laws of Physics come from????
> >>
> >> The don't come from anywhere.  They describe the activity of the
> >> reality in which we live.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >If not from God, then who?
> >>
> >> Why anyone?  Or anything?
> >
> >
> >Well, it doesn't have to be a person, or a "anything" since only 5 percent of the universe
> >is made of only 'anything'. It could be that 95 percent of what the universe 'is' that makes
> >the laws of physics. The Laws of Physics don't from from a person or anythings...it comes
> >from somewhere else..where you haven't bother to look.
> 
> Why should they come from anywhere?  They are simply inherent in the
> existence of the universe.
> 
> They explain how things work.
> 
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You sound like you believe in The Laws of Physics, but not sure where they come from...
> >> >
> >> >are you an agnostic?  You sound like one.
> >>
> >> I really am not concerned with how someone else describes me as long
> >> as they don't lie.
> >
> >Well, I am not lying when I say I believe you believe in God...you're just not sure entirely. But who is?
> 
> I hold no such belief unless and until someone presents me with
> acceptable evidence for support.

But surely you onced believed...you were probably once a good christian boy...

> 
> >
> >Not everybody believes Thor is a god...those would be the atheist. There are atheist among christians too.
> 
> My requirement is not for any particular god.  It covers all of them.


What do you mean by "all of them"? There is only one GOD, what other ones are you refering too????

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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 14:06 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 12:12 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:37 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 21:25 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 02:54 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-18 14:23 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:58 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 18:47 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:30 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 10:15 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:50 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 00:44 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:43 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 09:45 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:06 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 00:25 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:52 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 13:19 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:29 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 00:18 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:39 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 12:23 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:57 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-23 15:14 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-08-23 20:49 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 05:17 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 12:45 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-24 22:32 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:08 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:46 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-26 00:43 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:06 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:28 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:08 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:04 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:16 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:51 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:55 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:48 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:59 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:13 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:30 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:36 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:49 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:26 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:02 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:43 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:44 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400

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