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This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave

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First post2026-10-08 08:14 -0700
Last post2026-10-18 02:37 +0000
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  This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-08 08:14 -0700
    Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 18:15 -0400
      Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-09 00:46 +0000
        Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 21:13 -0400
          Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-12 19:38 -0700
            Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-13 03:30 +0000
              Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 10:08 -0400
              Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-13 09:57 -0700
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 16:08 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> - 2026-10-14 10:11 -0400
                  Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 16:32 +0000
                  Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-14 14:14 -0700
                    Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-18 05:25 +0000
                      Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 07:10 -0400
                        Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-18 19:53 +0000
                          Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 18:01 -0400
                            Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-19 00:23 +0000
                              Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 08:04 -0400
                                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 09:33 -0400
                  Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 18:42 -0400
                    Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-17 10:40 -0700
                  Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> - 2026-10-18 02:38 +0000
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> - 2026-10-18 02:37 +0000

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#313715

FromDaniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com>
Date2026-10-17 10:40 -0700
Message-ID<8733u49qfe.fsf@fuhgitabutit.com>
In reply to#313714
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

> "Kualinar"  wrote in message news:11ao2iu$1ht2r$1@dont-email.me...
>
> Here again, the subsurface water of Mars and the moons of the Solar
> system is NOT expected to be similar to what we found here on Earth.
> After all, they where formed in vastly different regions of the
> protoplanetary disk, regions with vastly different chemical composition.
> Different salinity, from different salts. Also, different isotopic ratio.
>
> ---------------------------
> https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/all-about-uranus/en/
> "Uranus is made of water, methane, and ammonia fluids above a small
> rocky center."
>
> Ammonia and methane levels can be high in the absence of gaseous
> oxygen, and both dissolve in water, significantly changing its
> properties.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
>
> Ammonia greatly reduces the freezing point of its solutions with water.
> https://www.tannerind.com/PDF/green-aqua-amm.pdf
>
> Life might exist in water containing them, for instance hydrogen
> sulfide is as poisonous to us as cyanide yet some Earth bacteria
> produce it.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide

You didn't read my original response completely.

-- 
Daniel
sysop  | air & wave bbs
finger | info@bbs.airandwave.net

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#313717

FromRockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com>
Date2026-10-18 02:38 +0000
Message-ID<11b1bf5$pajf$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#313711
On 2026-10-14, Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> opined as follows:
> Le 2026-10-13 à 12:57, Daniel a écrit :
>> R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:
>> 

>> 
>> Our moon having subsurface water would be a shocker to me. Though if it
>> did, it would have come from earth, so earth-like salination ratios
>> wouldn't be surprising.
>
> When the Moon was formed, Earth didn't have oceans yet. Then, initially, 
> the salinity was pretty low.
> So, we should NOT expect the salinity of eventual Lunar water to be 
> similar to that of the modern Earth.

Exactly.

>
>> 
>> The other moons, not so much. I mean, everything formed out of the same nebula
>> after all. So if a subsurface water ocean were seriously present on
>> Enceladus would it surprise you that it, too, is salinated?
>
> Here again, the subsurface water of Mars and the moons of the Solar 
> system is NOT expected to be similar to what we found here on Earth. 
> After all, they where formed in vastly different regions of the 
> protoplanetary disk, regions with vastly different chemical composition. 
> Different salinity, from different salts. Also, different isotopic ratio.
>
>> 
>> Isn't this all conjecture though? Many things scientists have
>> predicted about our solar system turned out differently. I've adopted a
>> 'wait-and-see' attitude and lean on no assumptions or hypothesis.
>> 
>> Speaking on salination, I wasn't expecting Mars soil to be as hostile to
>> organic life as it is.  Watching the character grow potatoes with
>> martian soil in "The Martian" had me laughing out loud in the
>> theater. My wife glared at me.
>> 
>

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#313716

FromRockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com>
Date2026-10-18 02:37 +0000
Message-ID<11b1bdi$pajf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#313709
On 2026-10-13, Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> opined as follows:
> R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:
>

>> Even more interesting, the salinity of some of the oceans on various moons
>> is beleived to be within striking range of Earth's oceans.
>>
>> E.g. last guess I saw for Enceldus was 4-40 g/kg with Earth std around 35.
>> Salinity and dissolved oxygen in liquid water are inversely related no 
>> matter where thay are which may hint that DO in Enceledus' ocean is also 
>> in ballpark range of Earth, maybe even higher (if less saline than 35%%).
>>
>> I'm hoping to ask someone that knows, eventually. :)
>
> Our moon having subsurface water would be a shocker to me. Though if it
> did, it would have come from earth, so earth-like salination ratios
> wouldn't be surprising.

Granted the moon came out of the earth. But I'm pretty sure that was well
before the salination of the seas. Maybe even before the seas themselves?

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