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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2018-05-19 23:43 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-06-01 16:18 +1000 |
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The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-19 23:43 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Mark Earnest <gmearnest@att.net> - 2018-05-20 00:16 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-23 19:13 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 01:55 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 01:31 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-05-24 10:26 +0100
Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 04:40 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-05-24 14:23 +0100
Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 06:58 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 08:32 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 08:54 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 08:30 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 11:54 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 16:52 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 20:40 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 19:04 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 10:49 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 11:56 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 15:49 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 08:55 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-29 20:13 +0200
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 17:21 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 14:17 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 14:34 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 18:20 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity Herbert Glazier <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:49 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-25 19:48 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 15:50 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-27 13:32 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Double-A <doublea333@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 14:35 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-27 15:18 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-29 18:40 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-27 15:48 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-27 15:57 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 11:21 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-28 14:54 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 15:57 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 23:40 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-29 09:12 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 13:28 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 12:04 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Herbert Glazier <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 13:58 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-06-01 15:29 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 14:02 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-02 13:17 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:52 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-02 15:04 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:43 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-02 23:46 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 08:01 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-03 13:07 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-03 18:37 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-04 17:49 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-06-05 19:11 +1000
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-29 10:27 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-29 13:37 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Double-A <doublea333@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 15:14 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Herbert Glazier <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 12:23 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-06-30 14:22 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-01 19:29 +1000
Re: The Origin of Gravity Double-A <doublea333@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 14:38 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-01 12:31 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Klaus Meinhard <k_meinhard@gmx.de> - 2018-07-03 10:24 +0200
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-03 09:00 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Klaus Meinhard <k_meinhard@gmx.de> - 2018-07-03 19:10 +0200
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-03 13:39 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Herbert Glazier <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 12:49 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 11:33 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-30 13:41 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 13:43 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity IAM <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-01 14:00 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 01:13 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-30 10:09 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 10:27 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-30 14:53 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 01:36 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 14:08 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 15:16 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 21:49 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity Herbert Glazier <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-06-01 13:53 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-06-01 15:31 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-05-29 22:20 +1000
Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-29 07:19 -0700
Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 13:23 -0400
Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-05-29 10:28 -0700
Re: Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 19:59 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-31 12:54 -0700
Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 17:18 -0400
Re: The Origin of Gravity Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-06-01 16:18 +1000
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| From | Herbert Glazier <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 13:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d5ac37f6-d619-4971-97f4-7d8eb7401add@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #299088 |
On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 6:50:07 PM UTC-7, benj wrote: > On 5/30/2018 4:13 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > benj wrote: > >> > >> On 5/28/2018 2:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 5/19/2018 11:43 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> The problem with describing > >>>>>> The Origin of Gravity is > >>>>>> using 'words' to describe it.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> math won't do.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and it is very differcult to picture.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> before the big bang... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> stars in the universe were like.. > >>>>>> a dozen eggs. > >>>>> [...] > >>>>> > >>>>> Where did they come from? > >>>> > >>>> I already mentioned in my class > >>>> that before the big bang stars existed in > >>>> the steady state universe. > >>>> > >>>> Do you mean where sis the stars come from in > >>>> the steady state universe? > >>>> > >>>> I don't have a photograph of that... > >>>> > >>>> I juat have a photograph of before and after the big bang... > >>>> > >>>> i don't have a photograph of before the steady state universe... > >>>> > >>>> i would have to look for it. > >>>> > >>>> But certaintly Gravity existed before stars were born.. > >>>> > >>>> The Starmaker > >>> > >>> > >>> Gravity extends far beyond the universe. Far beyond before the big bang.. > >>> > >>> far beyond the steady stste universe... > >>> > >>> and as close as the stem of an apple. > >>> > >>> In other words, gravity is the machinery behind every celestial body and the invisible hand of Adam Smith. > >>> > >> and the way you know all this is? Oh that's right, you've actually BEEN > >> beyond the universe and before the Big Bang (in your mind). > >> > >> Faker you are STILL a moron. > > > > > > Tell us, what 'value' is there - for you to have to -- *perpetually* insult the intelligence of others? > > > So tell us faker, what value is there in you "Perpetually" posting the > most ignorant of science ideas? The way to stop my "observations" would > be for you to learn some actual science facts and post them instead. > Even though Wormley regularly gets his ass handed to him here, he STILL > knows more science in his little finger than you do in your whole body! > And bingo, I no longer have to point out your lack of intelligence! (For > me to "Insult your intelligence" implies that there would have to be > some intelligence there for me to insult, right?) Sam W. teaches science in IOWA.He goes with LIGO.We differ but still stay friends.That is reality.Bert
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 15:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <peshjj$lhe$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #299098 |
"Herbert Glazier" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote: "I never really had muck luck cause I am such a stupid fuck" Bert "Go figure". "That is reality". "O ya". Bert
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| From | Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-29 22:20 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <JvydnSy0O7Lr2JDGnZ2dnUU7-VOdnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #298992 |
On 29/05/2018 4:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > Gravity extends far beyond the universe. Far beyond before the big bang.. > > far beyond the steady stste universe... > > and as close as the stem of an apple. > > In other words, gravity is the machinery behind every celestial body and the invisible hand of Adam Smith. > > You don't know what gravity is. If you do please tell us. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2018-05-29 07:19 -0700 |
| Subject | Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--7.19am.Seattle.2018> |
| In reply to | #299015 |
> > gravity is the machinery behind the invisible hand of Adam Smith. > > You don't know what gravity is. If you do please tell us. 13.8 billion years ago, everything in the (subjectively) Known Universe was in the same location; i.e. zero entropy and infinite density/exergy. [ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ] Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy; leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy but none of the eXergy. Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us: Randomness is ignorance, nothing more. General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-29 13:23 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. |
| Message-ID | <t0gPC.226091$Hv4.28227@fx39.iad> |
| In reply to | #299016 |
On 5/29/2018 10:19 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >>> gravity is the machinery behind the invisible hand of Adam Smith. >> >> You don't know what gravity is. If you do please tell us. > > 13.8 billion years ago, everything in the (subjectively) Known Universe > was in the same location; i.e. zero entropy and infinite density/exergy. > [ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ] > > Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy; > leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy > but none of the eXergy. > > Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. > > All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us: > Randomness is ignorance, nothing more. > > General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, > perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing. > Rolf, Big Bang is Bogus. Just keep repeating your theories, Rolf and who knows? Eventually they may become correct?
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2018-05-29 10:28 -0700 |
| Subject | Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@May.29--10.28am.Seattle.2018> |
| In reply to | #299020 |
Ben Jacoby wrote: > Big Bang is Bogus. What created us then, Ben ? In the Garden of Eden story, "God" is the father, the parent; and Adam, his child, had to leave when he discovered sex. Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. Kids are the domain of the poor, uneducated and unfortunate.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-29 19:59 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. |
| Message-ID | <xPlPC.115991$np1.60407@fx06.iad> |
| In reply to | #299022 |
On 5/29/2018 1:28 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > Ben Jacoby wrote: >> Big Bang is Bogus. > > What created us then, Ben ? And the reason you think there must be a "creation" or a "beginning" is? You are just sure that the universe MUST work the way you tell it to. It doesn't have to. > In the Garden of Eden story, "God" is the father, the parent; > and Adam, his child, had to leave when he discovered sex. The Story dear boy, is an allegory representing metaphysics WAY beyond your understanding. You can't even handle physics fer crissake! > Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. > Kids are the domain of the poor, uneducated and unfortunate. All human acts of creation are in imitation of the creative acts of "God, the Father". I am a creative person in a GREAT number of ways. You? Well. let's just say that porn and a rubber pussy never created life no matter what all those evolootionists who infest your neck of the woods tell you.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-05-31 12:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5B1052DC.37D8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #298753 |
benj wrote: > > On 5/31/2018 1:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> Guv = (8 pi G / c^4) Tuv > > > > > > > > S0...you come back her and your first order of business is to hijack other people's Subject headings topics? Not off to a good start are you?? > > > > starting with the wrong foot forward... > > > > > > i don't expect much better from you... > > > Sorry Faker, but since you are a lib, we know that any math is WAY > beyond your understanding let alone the science it represents. But Sam > is posting in a science group for people who understand science not for > people who write science fiction and think they can fool people into > thinking they understand science. Please keep your "Deep thoughts" to > yourself. Can you explain to me your use of the word...'plonk' means?
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2018-05-31 17:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VEZPC.126592$pg3.105014@fx29.iad> |
| In reply to | #299073 |
On 5/31/2018 3:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > benj wrote: >> >> On 5/31/2018 1:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Guv = (8 pi G / c^4) Tuv >>> >>> >>> >>> S0...you come back her and your first order of business is to hijack other people's Subject headings topics? Not off to a good start are you?? >>> >>> starting with the wrong foot forward... >>> >>> >>> i don't expect much better from you... >>> >> Sorry Faker, but since you are a lib, we know that any math is WAY >> beyond your understanding let alone the science it represents. But Sam >> is posting in a science group for people who understand science not for >> people who write science fiction and think they can fool people into >> thinking they understand science. Please keep your "Deep thoughts" to >> yourself. > > > Can you explain to me your use of the word...'plonk' means? > Sure. It's an internet term of the highest praise for people posting their "deep thoughts". It means your ideas created some action out there.
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| From | Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-01 16:18 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <hI-dnaaQ3bHYeI3GnZ2dnUU7-Y2dnZ2d@westnet.com.au> |
| In reply to | #299077 |
On 1/06/2018 7:18 AM, benj wrote: > On 5/31/2018 3:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> benj wrote: >>> >>> On 5/31/2018 1:03 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> sam.wormley@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Guv = (8 pi G / c^4) Tuv >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> S0...you come back her and your first order of business is to hijack >>>> other people's Subject headings topics? Not off to a good start are >>>> you?? >>>> >>>> starting with the wrong foot forward... >>>> >>>> >>>> i don't expect much better from you... >>>> >>> Sorry Faker, but since you are a lib, we know that any math is WAY >>> beyond your understanding let alone the science it represents. But Sam >>> is posting in a science group for people who understand science not for >>> people who write science fiction and think they can fool people into >>> thinking they understand science. Please keep your "Deep thoughts" to >>> yourself. >> >> >> Can you explain to me your use of the word...'plonk' means? >> > Sure. It's an internet term of the highest praise for people posting > their "deep thoughts". It means your ideas created some action out there. > You forgot the 'not' at the end. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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