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Where Time Is It?

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
Last post2015-12-23 19:24 +1100
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  Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
    Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? "G=EMC^2TreBert" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 15:59 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
              Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
                Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
                  Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
              Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 05:35 -0700
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:14 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:25 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:17 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 12:32 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 19:53 -0700
          Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 22:48 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:51 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 05:36 -0700
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-23 19:24 +1100

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#280131

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:25 +0100
Message-ID<n5di3j$bhc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280127
Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> 
> Now,
> why do others
> say
> Time
> is the 4th dimension...
> i have no idea.
> 
> It's insanity.

Imagine for now our world as a plane,
and time as the z axis.

Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
upward along the time axis.

This was our experience with space and time until SR.

But than it was realized that if you are moving
wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
at the same space plane anymore,
but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.

This causes relativity of simultaneity,
time dilation and length contraction.

The space and the time are not independent anymore,
but mixed together, determining each other
in space-time,
where time is recalculated to length by c factor
as another dimension.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280140

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-23 12:17 +0100
Message-ID<n5dvt9$810$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#280131

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:n5di3j$bhc$1@dont-email.me...

Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):

>
>
> Now,
> why do others
> say
> Time
> is the 4th dimension...
> i have no idea.
>
> It's insanity.

|Imagine for now our world as a plane,
|and time as the z axis.

And imagine a Jedi knight waving his
lightsaber...
Do you feel The Force?

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#280214

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-24 12:32 -0800
Message-ID<567C566A.7FB1@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#280131
Poutnik wrote:
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> 
> >
> >
> > Now,
> > why do others
> > say
> > Time
> > is the 4th dimension...
> > i have no idea.
> >
> > It's insanity.
> 
> Imagine for now our world as a plane,
> and time as the z axis.
> 
> Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
> upward along the time axis.
> 
> This was our experience with space and time until SR.
> 
> But than it was realized that if you are moving
> wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
> at the same space plane anymore,
> but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.
> 
> This causes relativity of simultaneity,
> time dilation and length contraction.
> 
> The space and the time are not independent anymore,
> but mixed together, determining each other
> in space-time,
> where time is recalculated to length by c factor
> as another dimension.
> 
> --
> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.


I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.

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#280244

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2015-12-24 19:53 -0700
Message-ID<esbp7blo6j8emskllf8r3tavao48appmt4@4ax.com>
In reply to#280214
NO ONE IS  INTERESTED IN YOUR FAKE SHIT, FAKER!

Saul Levy


On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:32:42 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Poutnik wrote:
>> 
>> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> > Now,
>> > why do others
>> > say
>> > Time
>> > is the 4th dimension...
>> > i have no idea.
>> >
>> > It's insanity.
>> 
>> Imagine for now our world as a plane,
>> and time as the z axis.
>> 
>> Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
>> upward along the time axis.
>> 
>> This was our experience with space and time until SR.
>> 
>> But than it was realized that if you are moving
>> wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
>> at the same space plane anymore,
>> but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.
>> 
>> This causes relativity of simultaneity,
>> time dilation and length contraction.
>> 
>> The space and the time are not independent anymore,
>> but mixed together, determining each other
>> in space-time,
>> where time is recalculated to length by c factor
>> as another dimension.
>> 
>> --
>> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
>> 
>> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
>
>
>I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.

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#280248

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-24 22:48 -0800
Message-ID<567CE6CF.2CFA@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#280214
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Poutnik wrote:
> >
> > Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now,
> > > why do others
> > > say
> > > Time
> > > is the 4th dimension...
> > > i have no idea.
> > >
> > > It's insanity.
> >
> > Imagine for now our world as a plane,
> > and time as the z axis.
> >
> > Imagine our passing time like this plane flying
> > upward along the time axis.
> >
> > This was our experience with space and time until SR.
> >
> > But than it was realized that if you are moving
> > wrt some other objects, you and them do not live
> > at the same space plane anymore,
> > but your planes are mutually tilted wrt time axis.
> >
> > This causes relativity of simultaneity,
> > time dilation and length contraction.
> >
> > The space and the time are not independent anymore,
> > but mixed together, determining each other
> > in space-time,
> > where time is recalculated to length by c factor
> > as another dimension.
> >
> > --
> > Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> >
> > Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
> 
> I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.


Let me put it this way...

If a 4th dimension in space existed, you would have to throw
out the idea of a inverse-square law out the window...

since a square has only has two dimensions...

you would need to change the law into..
an inverse-cube law.

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#280354

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-27 17:51 +0100
Message-ID<n5p4p6$vkh$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280214
Dne 24/12/2015 v 21:32 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> 
> I'm not interested in mathematical dimensional theories.
> 

Rather, in physics.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280197

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2015-12-24 05:36 -0700
Message-ID<3mpn7bt1vdvmri6t2m0jl8tav6q29lo00i@4ax.com>
In reply to#280127
YES, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Saul Levy


On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:54:36 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> I still cannot get over how people say
>> space time are both spacetime
>> but then they claim time is
>> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>> 
>> Time exist
>> in the 3rd dimension..
>> not some imaginary
>> 4th, 5th, etc.
>> 
>> There is no 4th dimension.
>> 
>> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
>
>
>In other words,
>
>if you cannot
>
>observe or test
>
>a 4th dimension...
>
>then it's not science.
>
>
>It's science fiction.
>
>
>Now,
>why do others
>say
>Time
>is the 4th dimension...
>i have no idea.
>
>It's insanity.

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#280137

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2015-12-23 19:24 +1100
Message-ID<ddv42kFsok5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#280113
On 23/12/2015 9:08 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>

Such claims are made by people who think knowing the words implies 
understanding.

Sylvia.

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