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Where Time Is It?

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
Last post2015-12-23 19:24 +1100
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  Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
    Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? "G=EMC^2TreBert" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 15:59 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
              Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
                Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
                  Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
              Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 05:35 -0700
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:14 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:25 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:17 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 12:32 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 19:53 -0700
          Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 22:48 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:51 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 05:36 -0700
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-23 19:24 +1100

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#280113 — Where Time Is It?

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
SubjectWhere Time Is It?
Message-ID<5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com>
I still cannot get over how people say
space time are both spacetime
but then they claim time is
in some other dimension..like a 4th.


Time exist
in the 3rd dimension..
not some imaginary
4th, 5th, etc.

There is no 4th dimension.

It's not Science...it's science fiction.

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#280114

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
Message-ID<LOCdndsljKF-VuTLnZ2dnUU7-eWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#280113
On 12/22/15 4:08 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.


-- 

sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
community, and physics-related social issues.

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#280116

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
Message-ID<n5cjfq$tbs$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#280113

Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com...

|I still cannot get over how people say
|space time are both spacetime
|but then they claim time is
|in some other dimension..like a 4th.

What is here to get over?
A bunch of idiots cheerfully mumbles.
That's all. 

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#280120

From"G=EMC^2TreBert" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-22 15:59 -0800
Message-ID<883f7912-f872-47a5-aa11-b96258e0993a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#280116
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 2:39:55 PM UTC-8, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com...
> 
> |I still cannot get over how people say
> |space time are both spacetime
> |but then they claim time is
> |in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> What is here to get over?
> A bunch of idiots cheerfully mumbles.
> That's all.                                                                                                                
Time+Space =SpaceTime and that is all there is once the universe has gone beyond its outer limit of accelerated expansion. TreBert

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#280126

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
Message-ID<567A3EBA.1FF3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#280113
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> Time exist
> in the 3rd dimension..
> not some imaginary
> 4th, 5th, etc.
> 
> There is no 4th dimension.
> 
> It's not Science...it's science fiction.


For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
exist.

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#280128

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
Message-ID<n5dh62$9hm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280126
Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> I still cannot get over how people say
>> space time are both spacetime
>> but then they claim time is
>> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>>
>> Time exist
>> in the 3rd dimension..
>> not some imaginary
>> 4th, 5th, etc.
>>
>> There is no 4th dimension.
>>
>> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
> 
> 
> For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
> exist.
> 
Anything, nonsense or not,
looks like nonsense before you understand it.

So saying something is nonsense
before you understand it is - nonsense.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280132

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
Message-ID<567A4EE2.467D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#280128
Poutnik wrote:
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> I still cannot get over how people say
> >> space time are both spacetime
> >> but then they claim time is
> >> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> >>
> >> Time exist
> >> in the 3rd dimension..
> >> not some imaginary
> >> 4th, 5th, etc.
> >>
> >> There is no 4th dimension.
> >>
> >> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
> >
> >
> > For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
> > exist.
> >
> Anything, nonsense or not,
> looks like nonsense before you understand it.
> 
> So saying something is nonsense
> before you understand it is - nonsense.


How many dimensions does a square have? 2

How many dimensions does a cube have? 3




 Where Time Is It?

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#280134

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
Message-ID<n5dj6o$e7v$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280132
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote:
>>
>> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I still cannot get over how people say
>>>> space time are both spacetime
>>>> but then they claim time is
>>>> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>>>>
>>>> Time exist
>>>> in the 3rd dimension..
>>>> not some imaginary
>>>> 4th, 5th, etc.
>>>>
>>>> There is no 4th dimension.
>>>>
>>>> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
>>>
>>>
>>> For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
>>> exist.
>>>
>> Anything, nonsense or not,
>> looks like nonsense before you understand it.
>>
>> So saying something is nonsense
>> before you understand it is - nonsense.
> 
> 
> How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> 
> How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> 
Dimension values of both depend on time,
respectively your speed wrt them,
and time is contained in speed.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280135

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
Message-ID<n5djjd$g2c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280132
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
>  Where Time Is It?

You need to start think about dimensions
as number of independent values
needed to describe the point position.

3 dimensions are not enough anymore,
pointing to different points
for mutually moving observers.

Points determined by 4 coordinates of space-time
always points to the same point.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280136

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
Message-ID<n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280132
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> 

2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube
as a square cube only at a special circumstance
from many other possibilities.

Generally 4 dimensions are needed
for their proper shapes and placements.

Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space
only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280138

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30e44075a3c2c4a2989d21@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#280136
In article <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> 
> > 
> > How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> > 
> 
> 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube
> as a square cube only at a special circumstance
> from many other possibilities.
> 
> Generally 4 dimensions are needed
> for their proper shapes and placements.
> 
> Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space
> only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate.

Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.

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#280142

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
Message-ID<n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280138
Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a):
> 
> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
> one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
>

Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting
is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them.

There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups.

Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ?

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280143

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30e456d29e28a707989d24@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#280142
In article <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a):
> > 
> > Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
> > one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
> > Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
> > makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
> >
> 
> Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting
> is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them.

Why do you answer any of them?
 
> There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups.

So what?  
 
> Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ?

Because pretty soon there's going to be another huge stack of posts from 
you replying to the idiot.

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#280144

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
Message-ID<n5e2so$21e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280143
Dne 23/12/2015 v 13:00 J. Clarke napsal(a):
> In article <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a):
>>>
>>> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
>>> one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
>>> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
>>> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
>>>
>>
>> Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting
>> is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them.
> 
> Why do you answer any of them?

Why do you ever react ?
His post are at least to topic, even if he has no clue.
>  
>> There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups.
> 
> So what?  

So that. Focus on them.
>  
>> Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ?
> 
> Because pretty soon there's going to be another huge stack of posts from 
> you replying to the idiot.

Are you sure you are much better,
posting meta posts ?

It is like saying I am not salting my soup
because there is too little of salt.

For now, your posts approach trolling.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#280282

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
Message-ID<567DA4CD.1DA6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#280138
J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> In article <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
> >
> > Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> >
> > >
> > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> > > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> > >
> >
> > 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube
> > as a square cube only at a special circumstance
> > from many other possibilities.
> >
> > Generally 4 dimensions are needed
> > for their proper shapes and placements.
> >
> > Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space
> > only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate.
> 
> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single
> one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike
> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot
> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.



The person with the complaint, is the person with the problem. - The Starmaker

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#280141

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
Message-ID<n5e03d$865$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#280132

Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:567A4EE2.467D@ix.netcom.com...


|How many dimensions does a square have? 2
|How many dimensions does a cube have? 3

Squares and cubes are euclidean. According to
The Shit, there is no such things. 

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#280139

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
Message-ID<n5dvq7$7va$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#280128

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:n5dh62$9hm$1@dont-email.me...


|Anything, nonsense or not,
|looks like nonsense before you understand it.

Does it really?
Have you heard about duck test, poor idiot? 

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#280196

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2015-12-24 05:35 -0700
Message-ID<tipn7blst6elrl1ic8sh0oftub5q792kbm@4ax.com>
In reply to#280126
THE FAKER STRIKES AGAIN!

THERE IS NO FAKER!

FUCK OFF, BIMBO!

Saul Levy


On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:27:06 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> I still cannot get over how people say
>> space time are both spacetime
>> but then they claim time is
>> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>> 
>> Time exist
>> in the 3rd dimension..
>> not some imaginary
>> 4th, 5th, etc.
>> 
>> There is no 4th dimension.
>> 
>> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
>
>
>For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
>exist.

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#280127

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
Message-ID<567A452C.1EA9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#280113
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> Time exist
> in the 3rd dimension..
> not some imaginary
> 4th, 5th, etc.
> 
> There is no 4th dimension.
> 
> It's not Science...it's science fiction.


In other words,

if you cannot

observe or test

a 4th dimension...

then it's not science.


It's science fiction.


Now,
why do others
say
Time
is the 4th dimension...
i have no idea.

It's insanity.

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#280129

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:14 +0100
Message-ID<n5dhgj$9hm$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#280127
Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:54 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> In other words,
> if you cannot
> observe or test
> a 4th dimension...

You can.
Read any introduction to Special Relativity.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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