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Two Earths

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-07-11 11:57 -0700
Last post2015-07-15 11:39 -0700
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  Two Earths The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-11 11:57 -0700
    Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 16:01 -0500
      Re: Two Earths Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-07-12 15:25 -0700
    Re: Two Earths Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 18:32 -0500
      Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-11 19:55 -0500
        Re: Two Earths benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 21:46 -0400
      Re: Two Earths benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-11 22:02 -0400
        Re: Two Earths HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 04:59 -0400
        Re: Two Earths "a425couple" <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-12 11:14 -0700
          Re: Two Earths "Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> - 2015-07-12 22:24 -0400
          Re: Two Earths HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 05:50 -0400
    Re: Two Earths Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-07-12 15:28 -0700
    Re: Two Earths The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 15:46 -0700
      Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-12 21:34 -0500
        Re: Two Earths Mike Duffy <see_website@signature.block> - 2015-07-12 22:49 -0400
          Re: Two Earths benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 01:00 -0400
            Re: Two Earths HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 05:52 -0400
              Re: Two Earths benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 13:51 -0400
                Re: Two Earths HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 14:41 -0400
                  Re: Two Earths Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-13 17:19 -0700
                  Re: Two Earths benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 00:35 -0400
                    Re: Two Earths HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 06:22 -0400
          Re: Two Earths Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-07-13 00:24 -0500
            Re: Two Earths Mike Duffy <see_website@signature.block> - 2015-07-13 11:07 -0400
        Re: Two Earths The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-12 21:51 -0700
      Re: Two Earths Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-07-14 10:17 -0700
    Re: Two Earths "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> - 2015-07-15 09:31 -0500
      Re: Two Earths Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-07-15 11:39 -0700

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#270926

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-14 00:35 -0400
Message-ID<sk0px.125987$r46.49495@fx28.iad>
In reply to#270910
On 07/13/2015 02:41 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/13/2015 1:51 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 07/13/2015 05:52 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>> On 7/13/2015 1:00 AM, benj wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HVAC believes that there is a duplicate Earth on the other side of the
>>>> sun. Most writers believe that. It's simply plausible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ya, but I call it Nemesis. Just an FYI
>>>
>>>
>> Hey, thanks Hardblow. I was trying to remember what people had called it
>> and couldn't. Nemesis! Yes! Excellent. I'll go with that one.
>>
>> Bad news is that HVAC who believes in astrology now has to recalculate
>> all his planetary charts to include the "influence" of Nemesis!
>
>
> I was just passed a note from my intern.
> It says the correct name is 'Nibiru'
>
> I have already accepted my own apology, so no worries.

Ah, Nibiru! I have heard that name before! But I still like "Nemesis" 
better!

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#270930

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-14 06:22 -0400
Message-ID<mo2nr4$dh6$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#270926
On 7/14/2015 12:35 AM, benj wrote:
>
>>>> Ya, but I call it Nemesis. Just an FYI
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hey, thanks Hardblow. I was trying to remember what people had called it
>>> and couldn't. Nemesis! Yes! Excellent. I'll go with that one.
>>>
>>> Bad news is that HVAC who believes in astrology now has to recalculate
>>> all his planetary charts to include the "influence" of Nemesis!
>>
>>
>> I was just passed a note from my intern.
>> It says the correct name is 'Nibiru'
>>
>> I have already accepted my own apology, so no worries.
>
> Ah, Nibiru! I have heard that name before! But I still like "Nemesis"
> better!


Yes. Nemesis is more foreboding. Let me slap my intern.




-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#270899

FromSimoen <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2015-07-13 00:24 -0500
Message-ID<mnvi2c$d9r$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#270895
On 7/12/2015 9:49 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:34:40 -0500, Simoen wrote:
>
>> well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put
>> an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?
>
> It cannot be an exact duplicate of this Earth, because this one follows
> well-established gravitational attraction laws regarding its orbital
> positioning.
>
> Any planet exactly opposite our position would violate known gravitational
> laws. (i.e. Kepler's etc.)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler%27s_laws_of_planetary_motion
>

keplers laws apply to two body systems,  the earth/sun/earth is

two, two body systems

not sure how that would really work out, probably not, go unstable and 
eventually earth 1 would wack earth 2.....

came from that movie

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#270904

FromMike Duffy <see_website@signature.block>
Date2015-07-13 11:07 -0400
Message-ID<1p5jtuok68pvt$.dlg@mduffy.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#270899
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:24:26 -0500, Simoen wrote:

> Keplers laws apply to two body systems,  the earth/sun/earth is
> two, two body systems.
> 
> not sure how that would really work out,

You are correct. I mis-identified the appropriate "law". Newton's law (and
ultimately Einsteinian relativity) describe gravitation. As you point out,
Kepler's equations are only the restricted two-body description which
solves Newtonian gravity to yield a time-based prediction of a planetary
orbit.

Orbital perturbation theory is very complex. Orbital positions of three or
more bodies are impossible to solve analytically, but we can make
generalizations for how major orbital elements will evolve over time when
one object in the system (i.e. the Sun) is much more massive than the
planets, as is the case with the solar system.

Orbits of all planets are affected by other ones. But changes to orbital
elements will be much more pronounced in the smaller planets.

If there were a duplicate Earth exactly opposite us in our orbit, the time
humans have been observing planets would have been sufficient for its orbit
to be perturbed by Jupiter and Saturn to the point where we would be able
to see it by now.

-- 
http://pages.videotron.com/duffym/index.htm

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#270897

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-07-12 21:51 -0700
Message-ID<55A343BF.7D8A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#270894
Simoen wrote:
> 
> On 7/12/2015 5:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a reason why
> >> there is only one Earth
> >> in our solar system..
> >> if there were two
> >> we would be
> >> too occupied
> >> with killing them all.
> >>
> >> Or they would be
> >> too occupied
> >> with eating us all..
> >> alive.
> >>
> >> Or...
> >
> >
> > If I was God, I could't think of a reason Why to have a second Earth.
> >
> > There is simply no reason to.
> >
> >
> > Not only is there no good reason to have a second earth in our solar system...
> > but not in any other solar system...or anywhere else in the universe.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is simply no good reason.
> >
> >
> > I cannot think of any...and I know better than the rest of yous.
> >
> >
> > The Starmaker
> >
> 
> well, you admit you are not a god, the real question is why did god put
> an exact duplicate Earth, exactly on the opposite side of the sun from us?

I didn't admit I'm not a god, ...i wrote: "If I was God".

Meaning, if I was God, the creator of Earth...

I din't create the earth as far as I can remember....


and I have no knowledge of any other earths....hiding.

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#270940

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2015-07-14 10:17 -0700
Message-ID<h0haqahhe3objmm3ne8sao49a4fnqt5gnu@4ax.com>
In reply to#270892
WHAT A BLITHERING IDIOT!

Saul Levy


On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:46:29 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> There is a reason why
>> there is only one Earth
>> in our solar system..
>> if there were two
>> we would be
>> too occupied
>> with killing them all.
>> 
>> Or they would be
>> too occupied
>> with eating us all..
>> alive.
>> 
>> Or...
>
>
>If I was God, I could't think of a reason Why to have a second Earth.
>
>There is simply no reason to.
>
>
>Not only is there no good reason to have a second earth in our solar system...
>but not in any other solar system...or anywhere else in the universe.
>
>
>There is simply no good reason.
>
>
>I cannot think of any...and I know better than the rest of yous.
>
>The Starmaker

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#270983

From"Rocky" <wookiee@att.net>
Date2015-07-15 09:31 -0500
Message-ID<T7ydneZXqLk78zvInZ2dnUU7-VWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#270840
"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
news:55A1670D.1FFA@ix.netcom.com...
> There is a reason why
> there is only one Earth
> in our solar system..
> if there were two
> we would be
> too occupied
> with killing them all.
>
> Or they would be
> too occupied
> with eating us all..
> alive.
>
> Or...

The Moon is a perfect example of how the Earth will leave things that 
supported life.

And if people could demote Pluto to a dwarf Planet then why don't they 
demote Mars to a moon since it has a raised ridge just like moons have?

Rocky

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#270998

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2015-07-15 11:39 -0700
Message-ID<96adqadsk91d4a2ma7edu4iau1p8kstcr3@4ax.com>
In reply to#270983
YOU AND THE FAKER ARE TOTALLY INSANE!

Saul Levy


On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:31:06 -0500, "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> wrote:

>"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message 
>news:55A1670D.1FFA@ix.netcom.com...
>> There is a reason why
>> there is only one Earth
>> in our solar system..
>> if there were two
>> we would be
>> too occupied
>> with killing them all.
>>
>> Or they would be
>> too occupied
>> with eating us all..
>> alive.
>>
>> Or...
>
>The Moon is a perfect example of how the Earth will leave things that 
>supported life.
>
>And if people could demote Pluto to a dwarf Planet then why don't they 
>demote Mars to a moon since it has a raised ridge just like moons have?
>
>Rocky

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