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Re: Where is the (real) error

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Le 04/11/2022 à 01:45, Stan Fultoni a écrit :
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 5:14:15 PM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> Your error is in the statement
>>>    t = T * sqrt[1+ (1/4)(aT)²]
>>> where "T" represents the elapsed proper time along the unaccelerated path from
>>> the origin to the event on the trajectory at time t. This has been explained to
>>> you many times before. Again, if "T" was the proper time along the accelerating
>>> trajectory, it would imply 1=0, which is absurd.
>>
>> The theory of relativity is not absurd.
> 
> You mis-read.  I did not say special relativity is absurd... it is not.  I said 
> your beliefs (which imply 1=0) are absurd.
> 
> Again, to obtain the average speed for a trajectory t = sqrt(x^2 + 2x/a) from A 
> to B in terms of a given coordinate system x,t have the coordinate time tA at xA, 
> and coordinate time tB at xB, and we have Δt = tB - tA and Δx = xB - xA, and the 
> average velocity in terms of these cordinates is v = Δx/Δt.
> 
> For example, with xA=3.0 and xB=3.1, we have tA=3.834504 and tB=3.937453, so we 
> have Δx = 0.1 and Δt = 0.102949, and therefore we have the average velocity v = 
> Δx/Δt = 0.971356.
>>
>>There is an error here.
> 
> What is the error?

I told you before, but you make no effort.

However, if I tell you that you have to be very careful with the 
observable speeds, and that these are not the real speeds, you believe me.

If I tell you that proper times are not observable times, you believe me.

In short, when I tell you that you have to be very careful with the theory 
of relativity, and that it is very simple but stuffed with little 
pitfalls, in the end, you believe me.

When I tell you that two-speed clothing should not be added, you are 
telling me that you know it. And you believe me if I say that 
0.5c+0.5c=0.8c.

But if I tell you, beware, there are things you can't do in accelerated 
repositories either, you don't believe me anymore.

There is however a catastrophic error, which consists in believing that 
the observable times add or subtract without problem.

And that's what you all do.

You don't do this for observable velocities Vo, and that's fine.

But you do it for observable times.

Therein lies the catastrophic error, and the far too high speeds you 
predict.

Speeds moreover incompatible with the same joint Galilean speed, which is 
an absurdity.

If we take the right equation, all the problems disappear and we directly 
have v/c=[1+c²/2ax] at each point of the trajectory in x.

We must abandon the idea that To=To1+To2

It sounds amazing.

But this is only true for real times or proper times.
Tr=Tr1+Tr2
(tau=tau1+tau2)

But this is not true for observable times.

Therefore, Vo=Δx/ΔTo is true.

But To is wrong, it's not the right ΔTo.

R.H.

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Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-03 22:17 +0000
  Re: Where is the (real) error Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-11-04 00:19 +0100
    Re: Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-03 23:54 +0000
      Re: Where is the (real) error Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-11-04 01:11 +0100
        Re: Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-04 00:19 +0000
          Re: Where is the (real) error Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-11-04 01:25 +0100
            Re: Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-04 00:43 +0000
              Re: Where is the (real) error Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-11-04 08:30 +0100
  Re: Where is the (real) error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-11-03 16:57 -0700
    Re: Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-04 00:14 +0000
      Re: Where is the (real) error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-11-03 17:45 -0700
        Re: Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-04 01:09 +0000
          Re: Where is the (real) error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-11-03 18:49 -0700
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    Re: Where is the (real) error Richard Hachel <richard.hachel@invalid.fr> - 2022-11-04 12:32 +0000
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