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Re: did this group die?

From	Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid>
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Subject	Re: did this group die?
Date	2024-11-03 10:44 -0700
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:14:10 -0000 (UTC), Andrews wrote:

> Tom Elam wrote on Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:18:59 -0500 :
> 
>> As a former long-time Android phone and tablet user and defender I can 
>> postulate too. Android feature roll-outs and OS versions happened 
>> slowly, if at all, and were very uneven across device brands. I never 
>> got more than one OS version update on the many HTC, Moto and Samsung 
>> devices I owned. I had to upgrade to get the latest, and even then new 
>> phones often did not have the latest OS installed.]
> 
> FACTS. Not propaganda please.
> 
> You are wrong. More to the point, your data is old. It's no longer valid.
> You're five to ten years behind in all your data - so you're just wrong.
> 
> If you used Android only two or three years ago, you won't recognize
> Android of today because that's how much has changed in a short time.
> 
> a. The iPhone has far more bugs than Android now (and far more exploits!).
> b. The iPhone has far shorter operating system support than Android now.
> c. With respect to fragmentation, even that is very old data.
> 
> More Samsung devices alone are sold than iPhones are, where the
> "fragmentation" you decry doesn't exist if you stick with Pixels &
> Samsungs.
> 
> To complain that other brands provide valuable choices isn't really a fair
> complaint because you don't get ANY of those choices with Apple. 
> 
> And Apple's puny five years of promised supprot pales in comparison to the
> Samsung and Pixel promise of seven years of full hotfix support.
> 
> Remember, of all common consumer operating systems, Apple is the only one
> with support so bad they only fully support a single release at a time.
> 
> Those are facts. Modern facts. Not facts from ten years ago.
> Those are facts from today.
> 
> You're welcome to form a strong opinion based on old data, but just say
> that your data doesn't take into account the reality of today's devices.
> 
>> I have had to replace a battery on my iPhone 14. That was because I 
>> tried wireless charging in the car that overheated the phone. The 
>> replacement was easy. I took it to the local Apple Store and they had it 
>> back to me in 2 hours.
> 
> That's absurd. My Android debuted around the time of the iPhone 12, and
> it's still going strong. But it has a modern-sized battery. 
> 
> No iPhone in the world has a batter as big as the one in my free phone.
> That's the main reason iPhone batteries need to be replaced more often.
> 
> Last we checked Apple replaces almost fifteen million batteries in the USA
> alone per year. Think about that. It's huge. Apple batteries are crap.
> 
> Not a single iPhone battery is even close in capacity to that of my free
> Android phone (which only retailed for about two hundred dollars MSRP).
> 
>> That was 6 months ago and battery life is still 
>> 100%. The cost? $0. AppleCare+ took care of it.
> 
> Remember I said that the Apple trolls are ignorant? Remember? 
> Guess what? How did you get that AppleCare+ without paying for it?
> 
>> No questions asked.
> 
> I have a question for you. 
> 
> Since almost nobody on Android pays for any extra warranty, why do most
> Apple iPhone owners pay for AppleCare+ when it's never needed?
> 
> Think about that.
> 
> Apple owners are so terrified of the horrendous repair costs, that they'll
> pay any amount of subscription fees just to not have to worry about them.
>  
>> have owned iPhones and iPads since the iPhone 6s era. That's the only 
>> battery replaced spanning 8 years and 6s, SE and 14 Pro versions.
> 
> The Apple iPads actually have decently sized batteries as it's only the
> iPhone that uses comically cheap chintzy batteries in terms of capacity.
> 
> Every time you replace a battery (and millions are replaced every year!),
> Apple is laughing at you AppleCare+ owners all the way to the bank.
> 
>> I'll never go back. There is no Android Store 15 minutes away. My phone 
>> and tablet get annual OS updates on the day they are released, and 
>> regular feature and security updates too that.
> 
> The one thing you're right about is that there is no such thing as an
> "Android Store", which nobody on Android needs - but iPhone owners do.
> 
> I have plenty of Apple devices and when I take them to the Genius Bar, the
> "Genius" at the Apple Store asks me what a Decibel is when I tell him that
> I teste the iPhone side-by-side with my free Samsung & the Wi-Fi stinks.
> 
> These "Genius" Bar employees don't know how things work in the real world
> as you can't test Wi-Fi without knowing what a Decibel means.
> 
> All the Genius Bar employees do is test the phone for basic stuff (like
> water penetration) and recommend a new iPhone if it fails their tests.
> 
> Remember, Apple lost the lawsuits for exactly that reason.
> 
> Even Apple didn't tell its Genius Bar employees that they purposefully
> lowered the life of the iPhone (which they paid a criminal fine for!).
> 
> Still... the free Apple Store Genius Bar (and free classes) are a nice
> touch because Apple knows owners are petrified by the complexity of tech.

But how much does that Apple Care added warranty cost anyways?

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                Re: did this group die? "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 08:03 +0000
                Re: did this group die? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2024-11-10 14:21 +0000
                Re: did this group die? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2024-11-10 14:32 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-11-10 20:09 +0100
            Re: did this group die? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-01 09:09 +0000
              Re: did this group die? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-11-01 15:31 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:41 -0400
                Re: did this group die? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-01 10:55 -0700
                Re: did this group die? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-02 09:33 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-02 16:01 +0000
            Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:37 -0400
          Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:33 -0400
        Re: did this group die? John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2024-11-01 07:50 +0000
        Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:32 -0400
      Re: did this group die? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:17 +0000
        Re: did this group die? badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-10-31 19:01 +0000
          Re: did this group die? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-10-31 12:12 -0700
        Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-01 02:02 +0000
        Re: did this group die? John Hill <watcombeman@yahoo.co.uk> - 2024-11-01 08:01 +0000
          Re: did this group die? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-11-01 05:50 -0400
            Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:39 -0400
          Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-01 16:42 +0000
            Re: did this group die? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-02 16:27 -0400
              Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-02 17:17 -0400
              Re: did this group die? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-11-02 15:37 -0700
                Re: did this group die? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-11-02 22:20 -0400
                Re: did this group die? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2024-11-03 02:26 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-03 03:36 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-03 08:18 -0500
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-03 15:14 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Nick Cine <nickcine@is.invalid> - 2024-11-03 10:44 -0700
                Re: did this group die? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-03 09:55 -0800
                Re: did this group die? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 08:42 -0500
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 16:14 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 13:07 -0500
                Re: did this group die? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-03 17:33 +0000
                Re: did this group die? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:29 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 00:06 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-04 10:04 -0800
                Re: did this group die? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 07:08 +0000
                Re: did this group die? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> - 2024-11-04 11:10 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 15:52 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 16:29 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-11-05 01:19 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-04 20:23 -0500
                Re: did this group die? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-11-05 06:48 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 16:18 +0000
                Re: did this group die? Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-04 10:06 -0800
            Re: did this group die? rlhamil@smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) - 2024-11-04 17:03 +0000
              Re: did this group die? Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-11-04 17:24 +0000
              Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-04 15:01 -0500
          Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:38 -0400
        Re: did this group die? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-11-01 13:33 -0400
    Re: did this group die? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-11-01 06:28 -0700

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