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Re: Baby X is bor nagain

From bart <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Baby X is bor nagain
Date 2024-06-19 22:51 +0100
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On 19/06/2024 21:42, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 19/06/2024 18:49, David Brown wrote:
>> On 19/06/2024 18:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but that's not quite what we want. A typical input would go.
>>
>> It's extremely hard to guess what you want (not "we", but "you" - no 
>> one else wants this kind of thing) when you have bizarre requirements 
>> and only give bits of them.  So modifying the Python code is left as 
>> an exercise if you are interested, especially as it is off-topic.
>>
> This was a work project, so "we". I would never set up such a system. 
> But we hasd light-themed and dark-themed icons and they hsd to be 
> arranged just so so that the program would find them and show the right 
> theme. And as you can imagine, it was a nuisance to we programmers to 
> set up the resource scripts so that eveything was right.
> 
> So why not get Python to do the job? But there wasn't much enthusiasm. 
> So, despite not knowing Python, I decided to have a go, and I got a 
> sorted list of icons quite easily, and it looked promising. But now the 
> special requirement for a little deviation from alphabetical sort. And I 
> couldn't work out how to do that.
> 
> And it wasn't what I was supposed to be doing or paid to do. We used to 
> have a weekly meeting where we discussed work done. If I said "oh, and I 
> spent an afternoon knocking up this little Python script to help get 
> those resource files together", then that's OK. If I say that was my 
> main focus for the week, no, and if I say I spent substantial time on it 
> and it didn't even work - well that really wouldn't go down well.
> So I had to abandon it once it became clear that it would take many 
> hours of trawling through docs and online tips to try to work out a way. 
> And no-one has posted a solution here. And, whilst there will be a way, 
> I suspect that it just doesn't use the mainstream langage facilities. I 
> suspect that Python isn't really a programming language - a language 
> designed to make it easy to apply arbitrary transforms to data - it's a 
> scripting language - a language designed to make it easy to call 
> pre-existings code to do the things it is designed to do.
> 
> But maybe I'm unfair.
> 

No; I don't like Python either. It's big. It has lots of advanced, 
hard-to-grasp features. There's a dozen unwieldy, usually incompatible 
ways of getting anything done.

Pretty much everything can be assigned to (the only exception is 
reserved words). Because every user identifer (even if declared with def 
or class or module) is a variable.

Take a simple feature like a struct with mutable fields:

    typedef struct {int x, y;} Point;

How do you do that in Python; maybe a class:

    class Point:
        pass

    p = Point()             # create an instance
    p.x = 100               # fill in the fields
    p.qwghheghergh = 200

But here you type gobbledygook instead of 'y'; it still works! You can 
have an unlimited number of attributes.

Maybe a tuple is better, but those are indexed by number, not by name. 
So you use a module providing NamedTuples - except those fields are 
immutable. You can only update the lot.

Here's one I've just seen (that '@' line is a 'decorator'; don't ask me 
what it means):

   from dataclasses import dataclass

   @dataclass
   class Point:
      x: int
      y: int

   p = Point(10, 20)
   print (p)

This looks promising. Then I tried 'p.z = 30'; it still works. So does:

   p = Point("dog", "cat")      # what happened to those int types?

Maybe you need a struct type compatible with C; then you might try this:

   from ctypes import *

   class YourStruct(Structure):          # adapted from online example
       _fields_ = [('x', c_int),
                   ('y', c_int)]

It's just a big, ugly, kitchen-sink language. They throw in every 
feature they can think of (like C++, possibly why DB likes it) in the 
hope that somewhere in the mess is a solution to your needs.

I'm not surprised it takes 20MB to embed.

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Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 10:13 +0100
  Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-11 13:59 +0100
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 14:35 +0100
      Mac users (Was: Baby X is bor nagain) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-06-12 10:04 +0000
  Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-11 15:16 +0100
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 15:35 +0100
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-12 00:34 +0100
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 00:50 +0100
  Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 18:02 +0200
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 17:15 +0100
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 07:40 +0200
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-12 09:01 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 10:51 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-12 15:20 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 13:07 +0200
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-12 12:27 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 14:35 +0200
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-12 14:13 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 15:43 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-12 14:52 +0100
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-12 15:46 +0200
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-13 00:29 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 23:22 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-13 13:53 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-13 14:46 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-13 16:32 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-14 08:47 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-13 19:13 +0300
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-14 18:43 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-14 19:24 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-17 12:25 +0300
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 15:23 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-18 11:56 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 14:36 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 14:48 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 18:11 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 17:38 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 18:54 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-18 14:14 -0400
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-18 16:07 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 15:30 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 18:15 +0200
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-18 18:40 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 17:39 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 15:49 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 10:25 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 12:42 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 17:52 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 19:49 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 21:42 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-19 22:51 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-20 12:34 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-20 14:37 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-20 17:07 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-20 17:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-20 20:28 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-20 20:11 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-20 09:55 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 09:37 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-20 13:18 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-20 12:24 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 13:36 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-20 22:26 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 17:56 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-20 17:45 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-20 13:55 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-20 19:01 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 13:41 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-20 21:34 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 13:44 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-06-20 22:21 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-20 22:34 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 11:19 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 13:37 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-20 22:39 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-21 00:56 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-21 22:07 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 14:57 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-20 20:59 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 18:42 -0700
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-25 01:35 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-25 05:38 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-23 16:33 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-24 07:40 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-24 14:25 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-23 09:47 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-23 19:55 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-24 09:34 -0700
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-26 17:48 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 13:23 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 07:44 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 02:27 -0700
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                Re: sort - C, python, C++, glibc Was: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 18:42 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 07:39 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 03:26 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-20 21:13 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-17 11:30 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 15:43 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 16:48 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 18:21 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 20:17 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 21:29 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 22:06 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 08:44 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-20 21:21 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 15:34 +0200
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-24 00:52 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 01:25 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 00:56 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-24 10:28 +0200
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-24 13:46 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 14:01 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-26 11:54 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-25 16:28 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-26 00:23 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 09:23 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-26 15:18 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 15:45 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-25 12:04 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 09:21 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-26 08:31 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-25 13:15 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-25 12:56 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-24 18:10 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 17:51 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 17:02 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 18:50 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 18:10 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 20:33 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-25 11:36 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 13:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-25 15:56 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 15:08 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-25 17:12 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-25 16:59 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 16:27 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-25 19:51 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 18:11 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-26 00:42 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 09:35 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-26 13:15 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-27 12:16 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-27 15:24 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-27 14:13 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-27 14:31 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-27 17:28 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-27 21:51 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-27 22:47 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-28 03:23 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:19 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-28 10:26 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 15:14 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-29 08:38 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 17:11 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 19:42 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-29 21:49 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-29 15:43 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-30 01:43 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:23 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-30 00:36 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-07-03 17:12 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-30 01:49 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-29 18:46 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 20:55 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-30 12:18 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 17:54 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-30 19:10 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-01 00:20 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-29 16:23 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 10:47 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 12:11 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-30 11:48 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 17:47 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-01 12:22 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-01 13:09 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-01 15:14 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 14:20 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 16:00 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 16:44 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 00:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 01:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-07-03 00:47 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-07-03 01:18 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 01:54 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-03 09:08 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 10:36 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-07-03 09:41 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 17:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 21:33 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 22:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 13:13 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-28 06:56 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 11:20 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:52 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 11:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 19:11 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-29 18:51 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-29 21:56 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:17 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:05 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-28 06:57 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 13:23 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 15:44 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 17:50 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 00:16 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-27 23:58 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 18:21 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:15 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:53 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 18:08 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-28 03:30 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 11:11 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:41 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 15:36 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 15:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 20:37 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 15:42 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 16:01 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 19:45 +0300
                tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-01 20:09 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-01 12:14 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 14:48 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 15:09 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 11:54 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 12:22 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 16:27 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 15:18 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 17:55 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 13:57 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-02 06:50 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-02 06:47 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-07-02 11:50 -0400
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 10:35 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-07-02 14:33 +0000
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 15:43 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 18:17 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 16:32 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 18:45 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 17:12 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 00:42 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-04 00:04 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 21:07 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-27 23:24 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-28 00:44 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-24 20:41 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 19:39 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-26 11:31 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 16:43 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-17 22:01 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 09:01 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-17 19:52 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 11:26 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-17 20:24 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 14:40 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 14:55 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 09:39 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 14:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-18 14:33 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 13:02 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 19:06 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 11:07 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-18 19:22 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-18 16:34 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 10:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-19 11:52 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-19 19:53 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-20 21:31 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 12:46 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 14:25 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 15:51 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 19:43 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-23 14:56 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-23 15:22 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 22:05 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-23 15:11 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 14:09 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 18:38 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-06-18 03:28 -0400
        Topicality is not your strong suit (Was: Baby X is bor nagain) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-06-12 09:40 +0000
          Re: Topicality is not your strong suit (Was: Baby X is bor nagain) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 12:59 +0200
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-11 18:09 +0100
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 20:22 +0200
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-11 20:31 +0100
  Re: Baby X is bor nagain kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-06-11 18:21 +0000

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