Re: Baby X is bor nagain

From	Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Baby X is bor nagain
Date	2024-06-28 11:11 +0300
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 03:30:07 -0000 (UTC)
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:

> On 2024-06-27, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> > For most, PIC isn't a necessity.  
> 
> Only because they use a virtual memory operating system which allows
> every executable to be mapped to the same fixed address in its own
> address space.

It does not sound right.
For "simple" program that does not mess with copying pats of itself
and such, PIC just allows simpler exe format and more primitive loader.
If you already have advanced exe format and smart loader then all PIC
buys is faster load at cost of slower execution. Hopefully, just a
little slower, but that depends on architecture.
PID is more "interesting". Even on x86-64, where address displacement
field is ether 8 or 32 bits, completely free relocation of data
segments would need co-operation from code generator. More so on
architectures with significantly narrower displacement range.

> 
> If you designed your personal OS, which would be the case?
> 
> [ ] Programs must be PIC
> 
> [ ] Programs needn't be PIC
> 
>

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Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 20:17 +0100
  Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-17 21:29 +0200
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 22:06 +0100
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-18 08:44 +0200
    Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-20 21:21 +0100
      Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 11:46 +0200
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 11:42 +0100
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-21 15:34 +0200
            Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-21 22:47 +0100
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-23 14:25 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-23 19:21 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-23 22:09 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-06-24 00:52 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 01:25 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 00:56 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-24 10:28 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 12:17 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-24 13:46 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 14:01 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-26 11:54 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-24 10:16 +0200
              Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-24 16:09 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 15:00 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-24 17:09 +0200
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 17:25 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-25 20:29 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 22:15 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 21:34 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 22:03 +0000
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-25 17:08 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-26 00:28 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 09:17 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-25 12:52 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-25 20:39 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-06-25 16:28 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-26 00:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-25 13:13 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 09:23 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-26 15:18 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 15:45 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-25 12:04 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 09:21 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-26 08:31 +0000
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-24 18:10 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-24 17:51 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-24 17:02 +0000
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-25 11:36 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 13:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-25 15:56 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 15:08 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-25 17:12 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-25 16:59 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 16:27 +0000
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-25 18:11 +0000
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 15:14 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-29 17:11 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 19:42 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-29 21:49 +0300
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:23 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-30 00:36 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-07-03 17:12 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-30 01:49 -0700
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-30 12:18 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 17:54 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-30 19:10 +0300
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-30 11:48 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 17:47 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-01 12:22 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-01 13:09 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-01 15:14 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 14:20 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 16:00 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-02 16:44 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 00:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 01:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-07-03 00:47 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-07-03 01:18 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 01:54 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-03 09:08 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 10:36 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2024-07-03 09:41 -0400
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-07-03 17:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 21:33 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 09:14 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-03 22:58 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-04 10:24 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-07-04 10:18 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:23 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 13:13 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-28 06:56 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 11:20 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:52 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 11:05 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-29 19:11 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-29 18:51 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-29 21:56 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-30 11:17 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:05 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-28 06:57 +0200
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 13:23 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-06-27 15:44 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 17:50 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 00:16 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-27 23:58 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 18:21 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:15 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:53 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-06-27 18:08 -0700
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-06-28 03:30 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 11:11 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 11:41 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 13:48 +0000
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 15:48 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-06-28 20:37 +0100
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                Re: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-06-28 16:01 +0000
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 19:45 +0300
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                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 14:48 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 15:09 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 11:54 +0300
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                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 16:27 +0300
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                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 17:55 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 13:57 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-02 06:50 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-07-02 06:47 -0700
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-07-02 11:50 -0400
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 10:35 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-07-02 14:33 +0000
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 15:43 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 18:17 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 16:32 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-02 18:45 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-02 17:12 +0100
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 00:42 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-04 00:04 +0300
                Re: tcc - first impression. Was: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-03 21:07 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-06-27 23:24 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-06-28 00:44 +0100
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-24 20:41 +0300
                Re: Baby X is bor nagain Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-28 19:39 +0300
        Re: Baby X is bor nagain Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-26 11:31 +0100
          Re: Baby X is bor nagain David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-06-26 16:43 +0200

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