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Re: Simultaneity of the real world

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Date	2022-04-06 23:20 +0000
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From	Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>

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Le 06/04/2022 à 23:56, Python a écrit :
> It is provable that you claims are WRONG starting with very basic
> assumptions you have said to accept. Actually there are three way
> to define what you claim to be impossible.
> 
> The first way is to assume speed of light to be invariant for a round
> trip. This is Poincaré-Einstein procedure. Poincaré, that you pretend
> to praise, expressed it first. Then Einstein did express it (in 1905
> paper) splitting the two basic assumptions in two parts: an experimental
> one about light, another one as a convention about clocks.
> 
> Later it became clear than you could put light off the scene by only
> assuming that at least one Galilean frame exists.
> 
> Another procedure is to use slow clock transport.
> 
> ALL three can be PROVEN equivalent AND consistent under a small set
> of assumption that YOU admitted being reasonable.
> 
> All of this is documented in myriads of books (you didn't read) and
> courses on SR (you refused to watch).
> 
> You are contradicting yourself, Richard, and this has been pointed
> out to you several times during the last 30 years or so. So you're
> either an imbecile, an hypocrite or a fool (all of this actually).
> 
> So could you find a place to shut your mouth and die quietly? You
> are a disgrace to Humanity.

No, no, I am not a disgrace to humanity.

Of course not.

I am simply something brilliant and very rare, that is to say an honest 
man.

I cannot accept the synchronization procedure of the relativists because 
it is not scientific but simply an a priori which would like the universe 
to be isochronous.

I have obviously understood very well, for decades that I have been 
talking about it, how Einstein's synchronization procedure worked.

For him, everything is very simple: we ask ourselves no questions about 
the nature of space and time and we admit a priori that the universe is 
isochronous.

It is then easy (and I would obviously agree if it were) to slowly move 
two previously tuned watches apart, or to send signals from an equidistant 
position to tune the watches.

But the problem is not TECHNICAL or MATHEMATICAL.

It is simply PHYSICAL.

The universe is NOT isochronous.

In the best case, this watch placed on the table and this watch placed on 
the cupboard and three meters apart, will always consider that the other 
watch is lagging behind it by 10 nanoseconds.

It is a physical structure of space and time.

This is called universal anisochrony.

It also means that the notion of an "absolute present time" is an abstract 
idea.

Like the notion of flat earth, pink unicorn or round square.

R.H.

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                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-07 00:52 +0000
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          Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-07 14:04 +0000
            Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 14:09 +0000
              Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 14:29 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 14:39 +0000
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                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 15:40 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-07 13:19 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 18:41 +0000
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                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-07 16:31 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 21:38 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-07 18:01 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 23:05 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-07 21:30 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 12:09 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-08 12:44 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 17:59 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-08 13:42 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 21:29 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-08 19:20 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 00:31 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-08 20:41 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 01:58 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-08 22:08 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-08 21:31 -0400
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-08 20:43 -0500
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 23:21 -0700
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-09 10:18 -0400
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 07:34 -0700
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-09 16:24 -0400
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 22:13 -0700
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            Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@invalid> - 2022-04-07 17:50 +0200
            Re: Simultaneity of the real world "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-04-07 21:55 +0200
              Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 13:10 -0700
              Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-07 20:44 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 21:19 -0700
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-08 13:58 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 07:11 -0700
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-04-08 15:06 +0200
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-08 13:51 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-04-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 22:09 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 22:11 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 22:21 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 22:24 +0000
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          Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 00:37 -0700
            Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-07 17:37 +0000
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                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-07 21:17 +0000
              Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 20:53 +0200
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                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 21:34 +0200
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-09 19:45 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 21:56 +0200
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-09 20:11 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 22:14 +0200
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 22:20 +0200
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-09 16:43 -0400
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 14:50 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-11 00:15 -0400
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-11 11:42 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-11 15:35 -0400
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 22:12 +0200
                Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 14:46 +0000
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 17:19 +0200
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 08:24 -0700
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 18:20 +0200
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 09:54 -0700
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 19:04 +0200
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 10:24 -0700
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 22:05 +0200
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 13:07 -0700
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 22:11 +0200
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 21:19 -0700
                Re: Concours du plus con parmi les cons. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-10 16:43 +0000
                Re: Simultaneity of the real world Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 22:12 -0700
        Re: Simultaneity of the real world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 13:21 +0000
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