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On 10/30/2022 8:30 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 10/29/2022 11:30 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> The complete version might not be available anymore free of charge. It 
>> should be more than one hour. What is sold now is 1 hour 11 minutes, 
>> which might again be a somewhat edited form of it.
> 
> 
> A 58 minute version is at:
> 
> https://stock.periscopefilm.com/xd13934-1925-ethnographic-documentary-film-grass-migration-of-bakhtiari-tribe-of-persia-iran/
> 
> free of charge to see. Their youtube account only has an 8 minute 
> version. But when you go to the above link, then from there you can see 
> the 58 minute version on their youtube account (without the possibility 
> of sharing that link).
> 
> 
> 




So as you see, life for human didn't get easier at all and certainly not 
less physically active, by the introduction of domestication. It became 
much harder, but with only one advantage. Now life was guaranteed. Now 
food was available round the year regardless of wild animals population 
and extent of availability of edible fruits and nuts. Now it could get 
as cold as it wanted, but you'd have to move yourselves and your animals 
southward towards warmer weather, and do the opposite when it would get 
dry and hot, as seen in the above documentary.

Cooper wrote a book about it also, which contains much more detailed 
information on those nomads and what happened to his team. The book's 
title is also "Grass."

When a few thousand years later it got warmer and agriculture was 
discovered and developed, it caused those who lived by it to settle down 
in the same spot year round. Thus, villages and cities began to form 
(and lots of other skills). As I said before, human began a form of life 
that didn't quite match his body's features. This didn't happen at once. 
For a long time the settled nomads that now engaged in agricultural work 
existed alongside the nomads subsisting exclusively on domesticated 
animals. The two began trading and enhanced each other's lives.

This was only at the beginning of agricultural period. As more and more 
people were settling down relying on starchy food items, a major 
conflict was also brewing at the background. Now lands had owners! 
People who lived off of land also kept it for themselves and wouldn't 
share it with others, including the nomads. Nomads could not understand 
this of course. Land had always been land and anyone who could use the 
grass that grew in them to feed their animals did so. But now the 
villagers and farmers owned the land and tried everything possible to 
keep the areas away from nomads who desperately needed them!

The height of that conflict reached in Mongol times, cause now nomads 
also had grown in size and were indeed much larger than villagers and 
city settlers. The result of that is of course, now, history.

When I was a kid I spent some of the summers in agricultural villages a 
few hundred kilometers away from Tehran, where distant relatives of my 
father still remembers my father and welcomed me there with them for 
several weeks.

Right there, with my own eyes, I witness what degree of animosity 
existed between the farmers and the nomads who passed the area once a 
year. Other than shooting at each other day and night, nomads went 
farther and dropped dead dogs into "Ghanat" system what farmers relied 
on for water. It was highest degree of hate to do so. Nomads looked down 
on farmers and farmers looked at nomads as destructive thieves.

This is why in Reza Shah's time (1925-1941) much was done to resolve the 
issue of nomads in Iran by forcefully settle them, and this is how their 
remnants were reduced to a tiny entity by the time that Shah was done 
with them.

They're not completely gone yet. There are still a few groups there 
living the life of nomads but at the same time using whatever technology 
that they can benefit from. Mainly railroad for transportation of 
animals and themselves. And yes, to this day, they hate the settlers and 
settled people hate them.

I've had one friend from the Bakhtyari tribe who had on several 
occasions joined their migrations from begin to end, the old style, like 
in Grass movie. He studied environmental science here in Dallas and in 
many discussions that we had (more like me asking questions and he 
answering and explaining rather than "discussions") he went over a lot 
of information about how the inner relationships were among those 
tribes. Extremely interesting, cause nowhere else in the world they have 
such developments and rules among them. Just about everything about the 
customs and laws by which they live is unique to them, and for very 
vital reasons. Marriage, inheritance, schooling, justice, everything is 
different among them and works totally independent of Iran's laws and 
customs. The laws under which Mongols lived had similarities but also 
major differences, and were generally much simpler than the system among 
Bakhtyaris. This was so because Mongols's system had developed only for 
a few decades, and mostly by Changiz himself. It didn't match the extent 
and maturity of laws among the Bakhtyaris.

There are papers (even books) written about those laws. If you are 
interested, dig them and read them.







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