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Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME
Date 2022-02-06 19:30 +0000
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Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 10:18:14 AM UTC-5, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 2:35:39 PM UTC-5, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 10:42:16 AM UTC-5, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 5, 2022 at 6:19:59 AM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <setme o...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, Febru ary 4, 2022 at 6:15:19 AM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Seto <seto...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> He said that: "time is what the clock shows 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And your idea of time is...? 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Time is absolute and all processes of nature are operated on absolute time. 
>>>>>>>> Including clocks? ow a specific amount of absolute time at its rest frame. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A Clock second only shows a specific amount of absolute time at the rest 
>>>>>>> frame of the clock. When the clock moves its clock second will represent 
>>>>>>> a different mount of absolute time. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why would it express a different amount? 
>>>>> Because it requires a specific amount of energy to make a transition of 
>>>>> the Cs 133 atom and the arrival of this energy is dependent on the 
>>>>> absolute motion of the clock..... 
>>>> Gee that sounds like a natural process, this energy making a transition of 
>>>> the cesium atom. But you said all natural processes go by absolute time. 
>>>> Now you’re saying this process doesn’t. 
>>> 
>>> No Sir, the energy (and thus the absolute time) required to make a 
>>> transition is different after .you moved.
>> Ah so absolute time is now different after you moved. Doesn’t seem so 
>> absolute then, does it, if you can change it just by moving. 
> 
> No idiot, the flow of absolute time is the same in all frames. It is not
> affected by motion or gravity. .....you can’t compare absolute time with clock time. 

Why can’t I compare clock time with absolute time? 
Clocks run on natural processes, so clock time is governed by a natural
process. 
You said all natural processes follow absolute time. 
So clock time has to follow absolute time. 

> A clock second represents a different amount of absolute time     
> in different frames.
>> 
>> You know you don’t make any sense these days, don’t you?
>>> Why? Because the arrival of this required energy is dependent on the 
>>> absolute motion of the clock. After acceleration, a clock is in a 
>>> different state of absolute motion and thus a different clock rate. 
>>>> 
>>>>> the different state of absolute motion of the clock makes the clock e 
>>>>> state of absolute motion of the vlvokin a different state of absolute 
>>>>> motion and thus different clock rate.ate 
>>>>> accumulates clock seconds at different rates. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The process that runs the clock 
>>>>>> operates on absolute time, period. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> No sir.....you assumed wrongly that the clock runs on absolute time 
>>>> Well, the clock runs on natural processes and you said all processes run on 
>>>> absolute time. Change your mind? 
>>>>> and that a clock second represents an interval of absolute time. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> When the clock moves, the processes are 
>>>>>> the same. So it should show the same absolute time. You make zero sense 
>>>>>> these days. Zero. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are a woodworker and that’s why you failed to understand any physics 
>>>>> beyond Einstein’s failed physics. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables 
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



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Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 09:01 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-03 10:02 -0800
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 17:33 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-02-03 19:15 +0100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:28 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 10:48 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Wills Duket <nbm@tiitu.va> - 2022-02-03 19:28 +0000
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 17:18 -0800
    Crank Richard Hertz goes off the rails "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-03 18:21 -0800
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-04 15:49 +1100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-03 22:34 -0800
      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-04 19:06 +1100
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 10:55 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-05 10:46 +1100
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 22:56 -0800
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-05 21:46 +1100
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-05 12:19 +0100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-04 01:36 -0800
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:34 -0800
      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-07 22:23 +1100
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 07:26 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 15:35 +0000
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 08:11 -0800
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 16:18 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-08 04:42 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-08 13:00 +0000
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Yasmani Kabai <yask@oennw.jp> - 2022-02-07 18:48 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 20:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-08 04:15 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Randall Hodge <tiie@ncsde.ca> - 2022-02-08 20:12 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-10 02:54 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Scot Dino <ueue@nbvm.ar> - 2022-02-11 02:13 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 05:24 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Scot Dino <ueue@nbvm.ar> - 2022-02-11 23:25 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 05:39 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Scot Dino <ueue@nbvm.ar> - 2022-02-11 23:17 +0000
  Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-04 12:15 +0100
    Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-04 06:26 -0800
      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-04 15:31 +0000
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-04 11:00 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-05 10:52 -0800
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:56 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 19:30 +0000
      Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-05 12:19 +0100
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 07:21 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 15:42 +0000
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 11:22 -0800
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 19:35 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 06:48 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-06 15:14 +0000
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                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 15:18 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:14 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 19:25 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 11:40 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 20:19 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 11:24 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 19:30 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 11:46 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 20:19 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 21:58 -0800
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              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-02-05 15:12 -0500
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Moris Colon <cvb@nwnbw.ca> - 2022-02-05 23:55 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 11:11 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Moris Colon <cvb@nwnbw.ca> - 2022-02-06 19:20 +0000
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                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 07:35 -0800
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          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-06 09:01 +0100
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-06 10:05 -0800
              Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-06 21:51 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 07:44 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 15:59 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-07 21:29 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-07 20:12 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-02-08 13:32 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-08 05:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-08 08:57 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-02-08 16:28 -0500
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 05:36 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 14:04 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 06:22 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 14:27 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 06:33 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 06:37 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 06:42 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 14:46 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 07:15 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 16:03 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 08:12 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-12 05:50 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Scot Dino <ueue@nbvm.ar> - 2022-02-12 05:11 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 22:21 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-12 15:57 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-12 07:20 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-12 16:34 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-12 07:43 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-12 16:50 +0100
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-12 08:03 -0800
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 14:44 +0000
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-02-12 00:46 -0500
                Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-11 22:22 -0800
        Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-02-05 11:40 -0800
          Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-02-06 11:05 +1100
            Re: Einstein screwed up the definition of TIME Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-06 00:23 +0000
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