Re: Telekom vs BfDI

From	"Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net>
Newsgroups	de.comm.software.mailserver
Subject	Re: Telekom vs BfDI
Date	2026-02-21 14:38 +0000
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Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

> Komischerweise suchen sich die Spammer immer die gleichen ISPs aus, um
> das zu tun. Man kann solche Angebote auch so gestaltet, dass der Kunde
> bei Port 25 z.B. mehrere Monate mieten muss, damit der freigeschaltet
> wird oder eine Kaution hinterlegt wird, die bei Missbrauch als
> Vertragsstrafe einbehalten wird. Selbst mit 50€ wäre dann das Thema
> erledigt.

Ist es eigentlich so, dass Spammer sich tatsächlich selbst extra
mühevoll und kostenpflichtig eigene Server mieten? Oder kapern sie
nicht eher halbautomatisiert fremde Server und verschicken darüber
Spam, bis der Hack auffliegt?

	Grüße, Andreas

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  Re: Telekom vs BfDI Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-02-20 09:30 +0100
  Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-20 10:22 +0100
    Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-20 10:47 +0000
      Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-20 11:58 +0100
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-20 12:11 +0100
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-20 21:27 +0100
      Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-20 12:09 +0100
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-20 12:38 +0100
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-02-21 00:05 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 08:30 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-21 10:56 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 12:58 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-21 13:37 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-02-23 01:06 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Andreas Stiasny <andreas@news2022.stiasny.priv.at> - 2026-02-23 20:34 +0100
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                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-26 12:19 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Heiko Schlichting <heiko@cis.fu-berlin.de> - 2026-02-21 12:37 +0000
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              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2026-02-21 14:13 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 14:41 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Heiko Schlichting <heiko@cis.fu-berlin.de> - 2026-02-23 10:46 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-24 19:06 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2026-03-03 07:49 +0000
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-20 12:09 +0000
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Paul Muster <exp-311226@news.muster.net> - 2026-02-20 19:30 +0100
      Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-20 21:27 +0100
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-20 22:35 +0100
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-20 23:42 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 08:33 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-21 14:09 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 14:46 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-21 14:38 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 15:45 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-21 17:14 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-21 17:36 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-21 23:10 +0000
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-21 03:50 +0000
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-21 14:09 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 14:44 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-21 14:49 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-21 14:26 +0000
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-21 15:43 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-02-21 23:32 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-22 07:24 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-22 11:14 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-22 20:56 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-22 22:36 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-02-23 08:04 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-23 09:17 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Christian Garbs <mitch@cgarbs.de> - 2026-03-13 23:57 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Heiko Schlichting <heiko@cis.fu-berlin.de> - 2026-03-14 08:11 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-14 13:06 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-03-14 16:51 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> - 2026-03-14 15:55 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-03-14 17:04 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-14 17:20 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2026-03-14 16:38 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-03-14 20:30 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Ignatios Souvatzis <u502sou@bnhb484.de> - 2026-03-27 16:24 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-15 13:02 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Ralph Aichinger <ra@h5.or.at> - 2026-03-15 12:22 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-03-15 16:23 +0100
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                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2026-03-14 18:57 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-14 13:06 +0100
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                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-03-15 16:18 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-03-15 16:24 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-15 16:33 +0100
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-21 14:48 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Christian Garbs <mitch@cgarbs.de> - 2026-03-13 23:51 +0000
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Heiko Schlichting <heiko@cis.fu-berlin.de> - 2026-03-14 07:58 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-03-14 10:08 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Heiko Schlichting <heiko@cis.fu-berlin.de> - 2026-03-14 09:43 +0000
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet4@hjp.at> - 2026-03-14 11:15 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-14 13:06 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-03-14 13:55 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-03-14 13:06 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-03-14 17:06 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-03-14 18:39 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-03-14 18:38 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-03-14 18:36 +0100
  Re: Telekom vs BfDI Paul Muster <exp-311226@news.muster.net> - 2026-02-20 10:23 +0100
    Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-20 12:12 +0100
      Re: Telekom vs BfDI Paul Muster <exp-311226@news.muster.net> - 2026-02-20 12:55 +0100
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-20 14:15 +0100
        Re: Telekom vs BfDI Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2026-02-20 15:51 +0100
          Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-20 16:20 +0100
            Re: Telekom vs BfDI Paul Muster <exp-311226@news.muster.net> - 2026-02-20 19:27 +0100
              Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-20 21:27 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Tim Ritberg <tim@server.invalid> - 2026-02-20 23:06 +0100
                Re: Telekom vs BfDI Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> - 2026-02-20 23:42 +0100
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