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| Subject | Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Date | 2022-08-01 18:46 +0000 |
| Organization | Nemoweb |
| From | Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> |
Le 01/08/2022 à 19:21, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit : > > > Den 01.08.2022 00:18, skrev Richard Hachel: >> Le 31/07/2022 à 19:59, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit : >>> > >> >> Vo=0.8c >> Vapp=4c >> t'= 9 years. > >>> >>> What he _can_ visually observe is this: >>> >>> On the way out he will see the Earth clock run slow >>> by sqrt((1-0.8)/(1+0.8)) = 1/3. >>> So when he turns around when his clock shows 9 years, >>> he will see the Earth clock shows 3 years. >>> >>> On the way back he will see the Earth clock run fast >>> by sqrt((1+0.8)/(1-0.8)) = 3. >>> So when he is back after another 9 years on his clock, >>> he will see the Earth clock showing (3+3*9) years = 30 years. >> >> Yes, that is absolutely correct. > > Indeed. > When the traveller just has turned around, > the distance to Earth in his rest frame is D. > > Since the traveller observes a Doppler shift = 3, > he can calculate that the speed of the Earth must be: > v = c⋅(3²+1)/(3²-1) = 0.8c > > Since the traveller will be back on Earth after T = 9 years, > we have: > D = v⋅T = 7.2 light years > > Case closed. What's tragic is that you don't understand what I'm telling you. I've given you one of the most beautiful theories ever, and you don't want to bother to figure it out. There, frankly, it all becomes grotesque. We are no longer in science, but in dogma. "We don't want Dr. Richard Hachel to reign over us." This is no longer science, but madness. I can explain, re-explain, and explain again: "WE DON'T WANT YOU, RATHER FREE BARABBAS". It's in dogma and religion, there. Possibly in sociology. Not in science. If we were really into science, we would wonder why a traveler who has just made his U-turn, who is going to observe for 9 years an earth returning towards him at 0.8c, that is to say at 4c of apparent speed, can see this event other than with Hachel's equations, that is to say those that I give and give again here. It is absolutely obvious, and you have not yet had the click in your mind, that 4*9 is 36, and that this fantastic zoom effect does exist, as on the other side, by covariance, the terrestrial observer sees the rocket three times longer than it is. I beg you one last time to understand what I am telling you. You have the intellectual capacities, but I beg you to believe that the intellectual effort must be made (if possible with strong coffee). I promise you, on my honor, two things. A huge slap and a few minutes of "disorientation" if this happens to you. But also the certainty that the house that will collapse before you cannot be rebuilt forever. It's not yet the case. When you write what you write to answer me, I see that you still haven't understood what I'm saying, nor had the fantastic click that can occur in a human mind. This click goes through the very counter-intuitive notion of total covariance, the support of universal anisochrony in all equations and not only those dealing with the Doppler effect on electromagnetic waves. <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?pmC8rWDkCvHQHwM3ENDGJT5-RjU@jntp/Data.Media:1> R.H.
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Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-07-31 14:33 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-07-31 10:57 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-07-31 19:59 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:00 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-07-31 22:18 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-08-01 19:21 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-01 18:46 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-08-02 14:40 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-02 14:58 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-08-02 22:35 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-02 21:11 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-08-03 11:24 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-03 12:46 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-08-04 11:46 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 02:49 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-04 11:27 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 05:02 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 06:58 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 07:40 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-04 14:51 +0000
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Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-08-09 11:49 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-08-09 04:25 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-08-09 14:23 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-08-09 06:10 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-08-09 06:03 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Juan Di pasqua <toed@iavdattg.ev> - 2022-08-09 10:57 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-08-09 06:04 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-08-04 11:11 +0000
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-08-05 08:48 +0200
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-08-05 10:23 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-08-08 21:53 -0700
Re: Paul B. Andersen wanted to know... Neal Giordano <bqwc@gcfikwuf.ja> - 2022-08-01 14:33 +0000
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