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From Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Ambiguous names
Date 2026-03-17 08:18 +0000
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Le 16/03/2026 à 21:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>>> Le 15/03/2026 à 12:13, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Lat/Long is obsolete btw, UTM coordinates are preferred nowadays,
>>>>> (based on meter rather than degree) [...]
>>
>> The marvels of the English passive! Preferred by whom? Not by lar3ryca,
>> not by me, not by the satnav apps I've used.
> 
> Map makers of course, and the NATO military,
> and even by the designers of your satnav. [...]


Is that true? I've a vague recollection of visiting the Ordnance Survey 
decades ago. I think it may have been a school trip. I don't think I was 
up to thinking about map projections at that point (though I was fond of 
OS maps, especially the old one-inch ones).

It would seem that GPS and Open Street Map both use WGS84, which is 
essentially lat. and long.:

<https://osmdata.openstreetmap.de/info/projections.html> :

"OpenStreetMap uses the WGS84 spatial reference system used by the 
Global Positioning System (GPS). It uses geographic coordinates between 
-180° and 180° longitude and -90° and 90° latitude. So this is the 
'native' OSM format."

This fits with my belief, which is that lat. and long. are fundamental. 
Projections are a messy layer that must be added if one wants a plan 
view for a human to look at.

Indeed, a long time ago I worked in a department making inertial 
navigation systems¹ - and that was how it was.


¹The core of an IN is a gyro-stabilised platform carrying three 
accelerometers at right angles to each other. By double integrating 
their outputs, one knows how far one has gone and in what direction. If 
one knows where one was, one knows where one is. Equally, if you were 
lost, then you're still lost.

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                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-15 21:53 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 23:34 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-15 22:40 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 12:00 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-16 15:13 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 21:08 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-16 22:28 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-15 17:38 -0600
                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-16 00:14 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 12:00 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-17 09:44 +1100
                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-16 23:00 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-03-17 08:55 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 11:36 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-03-17 11:12 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-17 11:53 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-03-17 13:01 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-18 11:32 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 14:03 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 21:21 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-18 11:34 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 14:03 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-03-18 16:00 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-03-18 19:48 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-03-18 21:03 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-03-19 01:12 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 21:21 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-16 07:40 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2026-03-16 10:50 -0600
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-03-17 01:51 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-17 06:29 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 21:21 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-18 09:52 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-17 21:21 +0100
                Re: Ambiguous names Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-03-17 08:18 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-03-17 19:29 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-03-18 10:13 +1100
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                Re: Ambiguous names Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-03-18 19:52 +0000
                Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 21:41 +0100
        Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 11:09 +0100
        Re: Ambiguous names Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-03-15 20:16 +0000
  Re: Ambiguous names Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-03-12 12:30 +0000
  Re: Ambiguous names nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100

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