Re: blame game (was Re: RFD: Remove comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc and comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc)

From	groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld)
Newsgroups	comp.unix.solaris, comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject	Re: blame game (was Re: RFD: Remove comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc and comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc)
Date	2026-02-19 20:57 +0000
Organization	Groenveld.US
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In article <10n7lr2$3ol80$1@dont-email.me>, YTC1  <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>I was referencing Schwartz

I figured.
Am I giving Schwartz too much credit for OpenSolaris?
<URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris>
<URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_I._Schwartz>

> not sure why you pointed me at SNL? (I don't 
>watch random videos)

There's a life lesson to be learned about who placed Toonces behind that
wheel.

>He was a boring accountant.

ISTR after McNealy put Zander behind the wheel, Sun started swerving
off the road.
IIRC Zander moved on to doing a bang-up job at Motorola.
Did McNealy give him a reference?

>New customers, and old ones.
>Some pretty meaty stuff

Interesting.

>I think he wasn't making enough money, no investment in SPARC (as far as 
>I am aware) since 2017. Solaris ticks over.

As Ellison told us after the purchase, he was only interested in the high-
margin, low-volume systems market.
Customers should be wary (Ellison or not) especially when matched with
high barriers to exit.

>It's a shame, but lots of good computers have gone by the wayside (ICL 
>for one), it happens. We move on.

Creative destruction and all that... great to see illumos based
systems moving forward.

John
groenveld@acm.org

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  Re: RFD: Remove comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc and comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2025-10-17 19:33 +0000
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      blame game (was Re: RFD: Remove comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc and comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc) groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2026-02-17 22:42 +0000
        Re: blame game (was Re: RFD: Remove comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc and comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc) YTC1 <ytc1@ytc1.co.uk> - 2026-02-19 10:11 +0000
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              Re: blame game (was Re: RFD: Remove comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc and comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc) groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2026-02-19 20:57 +0000
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