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Re: Screen display problem

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felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote:
> On 12-June-2015 11:57 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 12-June-2015 9:26 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried saving web pages to file and checking if the images
>>> get saved (either using a browser or manually looking at files)?
>>
>> no, but I will now
> 
> now it's getting interesting. :) when I save a web page from the XP 
> machine with the 'faulty' FF browser, and compare the saved files with 
> those from the same saved page that displays properly in FF on a win7 
> machine, the files are identical with only two exceptions; both being 
> 1kb files which don't appear on the XP machine, namely id and onlinejs 
> viz: http://ausnet.info/pc/comparison.jpg They could be exclusive to the 
> win7 OS, or they could be related to the problem. also, if I load the 
> saved page from the win7 machine (on the win7 machine), it does NOT 
> display properly, but rather similar to the 'faulty' display in FF on 
> the XP machine. further, disabling Java and DRM produces no improvement 
> in the display. all of this seems to be telling me that the problem is 
> for some reason images that are exclusively online are not being loaded.

Ah of course, I should have seen this earlier. This is actually more like
how I see the web on this computer I'm using now. I'm actually typing
from a 120MHz Pentium 1 with ~80MB RAM ^. I use the "Dillo" web browser
on Linux and it doesn't support Javascript, along with most other things
that aren't pure HTML (especially the older version I'm using).

Now the point is that I don't get the Google logo and the main images on
the Auslogics site (it turns out I can't even get the Herald Sun website
to load in this browser). On the Auslogics site the only images I get are
two Norton logos and the "Green Seal" pic, that's because the're the ones
specified in plain HTML with the <img> tag in the webpage's code. I think
that's what you had in your picture of that page displaying.

Now an interesting point is that I _do_ get the picture on the Telstra
site, but below the text that is meant to be in front of it because my
browser is ignoring all the script stuff designed to do that. It's a
complicated page to reverse-engineer (and just like my browser, I know
HTML, but not web scripts), however I think javascript (etc.) browsers
still read the HTML bit with the image, but the output is modified by
the script. That way it still displays on devices that don't do scripts
well (I think some phones might be like this).

So at a half guess, I think your javascript might be running, but
there's something wrong with it displaying images and they just aren't
showing up. So if you disable javascript in your browser (not Java, 
javascript is different and built-in to the browser), you might get
the picture to appear on the telstra site and prove that the problem
is somewhere in the Javascript processing.

In relation to your file comparison, this might explain it, might
not. You didn't say which page it was that you saved. If you save
the Auslogics page and check files from Win 7 that didn't appear
on XP, see if they contain something that looks like a image file
name. If there's lots of text any you're lazy, try searching for
common image file extensions (JPG, PNG, GIF) in it.

Also, I should have mentioned before, try FireFox Safe-Mode if you
haven't already:
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode

If javascript is the problem, we can get to head scratching on
what to do about it.

>>> Perhaps the browsers can't get to the stuff they have in their
>>> local cache? Strange that it would happen in both browsers using
>>> different caches though. Might still be worth turning the cache
>>> off to see what happens.
>>
>> will try that too
> 
> I had emptied the cache, now disabled it, with no improvement

That would make sense, given the above.




^ If you want some shaky proof, note that the "User-Agent" field
  in the header of my posts shows that I'm running Tin newsreader
  compiled on an i586.

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