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Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages

Date 2013-04-18 22:10 -0400
From Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com>
Subject Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages
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On 4/18/2013 9:24 PM, Mark Janssen wrote:
>> One of the nice things about OOP is it means so many different things to
>> different people.  All of whom believe with religious fervor that they
>> know the true answer.
> Here's a simple rule to resolve the ambiguity.   Whoever publishes
> first, gets to claim origin of a word and its usage, kind of like a
> BDFL.  The rest can adapt around that, make up their own word, or be
> corrected as the community requires.
>

You won't solve the problem of confusing, ambiguous, or conflicting 
terminology by making up a rule.  "Object-oriented" means subtly 
different things to different people.  It turns out that computing is a 
complex field with subtle concepts that don't always fit neatly into a 
categorization.  Python, Java, Javascript, Ruby, Smalltalk, Self, PHP, 
C#, Objective-C, and C++ are all "object-oriented", but they also all 
have differences between them.  That's OK.  We aren't going to make up a 
dozen words as alternatives to "object-oriented", one for each language.

You seem to want to squeeze all of computer science and programming into 
a tidy hierarchy.  It won't work, it's not tidy. I strongly suggest you 
read more about computer science before forming more opinions.  You have 
a lot to learn ahead of you.

--Ned.

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The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-04-14 20:48 -0700
  Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-15 10:11 +0000
    Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-04-15 19:43 +0200
      Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-16 02:15 +0000
    Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-04-15 17:13 -0400
      Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-04-15 23:12 +0100
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 08:32 +1000
          Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-04-15 23:54 +0100
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 15:38 -0700
          Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-17 06:40 +0000
            Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-04-17 16:56 +1000
            Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2013-04-17 00:16 -0700
            Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-04-17 18:40 -0400
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 17:14 -0600
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2013-04-18 10:37 -0600
          Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-04-18 17:57 +0000
          Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-19 01:00 +0000
            Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-04-18 21:08 -0400
              Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-04-18 18:24 -0700
              Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-04-18 22:10 -0400
              Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-04-18 19:30 -0700
                Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-19 03:38 +0000
              Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-04-18 22:39 -0400
              Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 13:32 -0700
                Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 18:13 -0700
    Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-04-15 20:52 -0400
      Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-16 02:32 +0000
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-04-15 23:17 -0400
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-04-15 22:46 -0600
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-04-15 21:56 -0700
          Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-04-16 05:59 +0000
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 11:25 +0300
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-04-16 11:07 +0200
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-04-16 12:49 -0400
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-04-16 10:29 -0700
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-04-16 14:29 -0400
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 12:22 -0600
        Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-04-17 14:04 +0200
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  Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-04-15 23:54 -0700
  Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 08:44 -0700

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