Re: JUST GOT HACKED

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Date	2013-10-02 23:06 +1000
Subject	Re: JUST GOT HACKED
From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 04:42:32 -0700, feedthetroll wrote:
>
>> "Learning for personal pleasure" and "business server" can't be true
>> both.
>
> Utter nonsense. Some people are fortunate enough to be paid to do
> something that gives them pleasure. Many programmers and system
> administrators are in that lucky position. I am sorry that you
> (apparently) get no pleasure from learning new programming and sys admin
> skills, but don't imagine that everyone is like that.
>

There's still a difference between getting paid to do something you
enjoy, and getting paid to learn the utter basics. I enjoy networking,
and I'm paid to do that (well, part of my job involves networking);
this week I learned something new that I can do by simply setting a
few ARP entries and some fixed routes, which let us de-hack some
sections of our code. That's great! I love doing it, and I learn
something, and I get paid to do so. Awesome! But if you hire someone
to set you up a LAN, and he's still learning the fundamentals of IP
addressing and so on, then you'd be a bit concerned.

The terms, as stated, are far too broad. Learning at the level Nikos
currently is, though, is IMHO incompatible with being paid to do it.

ChrisA

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JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:58 +0300
  Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 14:06 +0100
    Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 16:15 +0300
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 15:27 +0200
        Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 16:42 +0300
          Fwd: JUST GOT HACKED Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 15:56 +0200
            Re: Fwd: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 16:58 +0300
          Re: JUST GOT HACKED Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-01 13:57 +0000
            Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:00 +0300
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Daniel Stojanov <daniel.stjnv@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 00:24 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 02:30 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 08:51 +0200
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 08:32 +0100
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 21:09 -0700
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-10-02 09:41 -0700
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-01 09:56 -0500
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-01 10:52 -0400
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 18:34 +0300
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 09:28 +1000
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 06:45 +1000
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 08:06 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Wayne Werner <waynejwerner@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 06:23 -0700
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 08:15 +1000
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 23:28 +0100
              Improving community discussion (was: JUST GOT HACKED) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 08:41 +1000
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 08:29 +0200
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 16:49 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 07:29 +0000
                Mutual respect, bullying, tolerance (was: JUST GOT HACKED) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 17:42 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:22 +0300
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 20:32 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:43 +0300
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 20:54 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:01 +0300
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:03 +0300
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 21:11 +1000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-10-02 13:35 +0200
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 13:06 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-02 08:09 -0500
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Wayne Werner <waynejwerner@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 06:49 -0700
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 15:50 +0000
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:32 +0530
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 09:08 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 13:28 +0200
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 13:17 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-02 16:05 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-03 09:01 +0200
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-03 11:30 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-04 15:48 +0200
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-02 13:34 +0000
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-10-02 09:44 -0700
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 23:51 +0530
                Re: JUST GOT HACKED Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-10-04 17:23 -0400
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 17:24 +1000
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:07 +0530
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 09:51 +0200
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 18:47 +0530
              Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-10-02 21:13 +0000
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-10-02 19:05 -0400
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:21 +0530
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-03 11:35 +0000
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-03 17:31 +0530
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-04 02:03 +0000
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-10-07 12:26 +0000
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 23:34 +1100
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-07 08:12 -0500
                Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 18:40 +0530
          Re: JUST GOT HACKED Pat Johnson <p.johnson125@gmail.com> - 2013-10-08 07:51 -0700
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 14:28 +0100
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 19:42 +0100
  Re: JUST GOT HACKED Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-10-01 14:21 -0400
  Re: JUST GOT HACKED Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 22:05 +0000
  Re: JUST GOT HACKED Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-10-01 20:02 -0300
    Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 02:28 +0300
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 09:48 +1000
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-01 19:14 -0500
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:47 +0200
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-10-02 13:57 +0100
    Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:52 +0300
      Re: JUST GOT HACKED feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-10-02 04:42 -0700
        Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:55 +0300
        Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 12:51 +0000
          Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 15:12 +0200
            Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 16:30 +0300
              Re: JUST GOT HACKED Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-10-02 10:31 -0400
          Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 23:06 +1000
  Re: JUST GOT HACKED Pat Johnson <p.johnson125@gmail.com> - 2013-10-08 07:53 -0700

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