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| Date | 2013-10-02 23:51 +0530 |
| Subject | Re: JUST GOT HACKED |
| From | Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.python |
| Message-ID | <mailman.646.1380738113.18130.python-list@python.org> (permalink) |
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM, <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 10/02/2013 01:02 AM, Ravi Sahni wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote: >>> Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> writes: >>> >>>> Op 02-10-13 00:06, Ben Finney schreef: >>>> > This is an unmoderated forum, so we have occasional spates of >>>> > persistent nuisances, and those who respond with the maturity level >>>> > and impulse control of an average six-year-old. >>> […] >>>> >>>> And what about the impuls control and the maturity of people who can't >>>> stop answering [a nuisance], knowing they contribute to the nuisance >>>> to the group? >>> >>> Yes, we are in firm agreement here. >> >> So Ben,Antoon you are saying that Nikos is a minor problem -- spam-like -- >> Whereas people answering him are a bigger problem??! >> >> I find this real confused!! Why they are answering then?!?! >> As far as I can make out everyone who is answering (helping!) doing it >> frustratation and disgust. But still they keep answering and >> answering!! >> >> Makes no sense >> >> [Sorry -- old programmer (C,C++ etc) -- new to python. If there is >> some secret to this list's culture that I missed will be pleased to be >> educated!] > > Actually it does make sense when one thinks of the psychology. > It is fun to bash other people on the internet. There are few > consequences and it makes up for the lack of authority and > control we experience in our real daily lives. > > When someone like Nikos appears and irritates enough people > to exceed a critical mass, it becomes socially ok to bash > him and one gets a _Lord of the Flies_ [*1] effect. > > Further it is nothing new -- this kind of spiral down > into chaos and noise of an unmoderated online community > has been happening since the earliest days of the internet. > > For decades a useful way to combat this has been summarized > in the phase "don't feed the trolls". But that only works > when people are able sacrifice their own fun (giving up the > joy of joining in publicly bashing a scapegoat by simply not > responding to inflammatory posts) for a common good (a mailing > list with a good signal-to-noise ratio and non-hostile atmosphere.) > > It would seem that enough Python regulars here get enjoyment > from the current state of affairs that the situation is likely > to last indefinitely. > > The rest of us try to make do by using restraint, filtering and > alternate forums (Stackoverflow, etc). > > ---- > [*1] http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/l/lord-of-the-flies/lord-of-the-flies-at-a-glance That (link) is an ugly stupid view of humanness. Why should I want to piss on you and flame you and shoot you for fun? I have never met anyone like that and dont believe that anyone is like that. [We are told about Hitler and Stalin and so on. I have never met them :-) ] And if you believe everyone is like that -- sorry - please go to psychatrist -- serious! Basically I am a software engineer. A engineer believes in right design. Mess happens with wrong design. Something is making ppl behave crazy. What is it? If we are engineers we should do analysis. No I dont think it is Nikos. I think it is ppl answering nonsense questions and shouting and keep on answering nonsense with more nonsense and keep on shouting. Why this crazy behavior?? So far Anton has given me the best explanaton -- Ravi
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JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:58 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 14:06 +0100
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 16:15 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 15:27 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 16:42 +0300
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Re: Fwd: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 16:58 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-01 13:57 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:00 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Daniel Stojanov <daniel.stjnv@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 00:24 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 02:30 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 08:51 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 08:32 +0100
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 21:09 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-10-02 09:41 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-01 09:56 -0500
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-01 10:52 -0400
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 18:34 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 09:28 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 06:45 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 08:06 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Wayne Werner <waynejwerner@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 06:23 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 08:15 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 23:28 +0100
Improving community discussion (was: JUST GOT HACKED) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 08:41 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 08:29 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 16:49 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 07:29 +0000
Mutual respect, bullying, tolerance (was: JUST GOT HACKED) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 17:42 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:22 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 20:32 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:43 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 20:54 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:01 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:03 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 21:11 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-10-02 13:35 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 13:06 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-02 08:09 -0500
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Wayne Werner <waynejwerner@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 06:49 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 15:50 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:32 +0530
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 09:08 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 13:28 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 13:17 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-02 16:05 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-03 09:01 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-03 11:30 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-04 15:48 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-02 13:34 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-10-02 09:44 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 23:51 +0530
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-10-04 17:23 -0400
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-02 17:24 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:07 +0530
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 09:51 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 18:47 +0530
Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-10-02 21:13 +0000
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-10-02 19:05 -0400
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-03 09:21 +0530
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-03 11:35 +0000
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-03 17:31 +0530
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-04 02:03 +0000
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-10-07 12:26 +0000
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 23:34 +1100
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-07 08:12 -0500
Re: Goodbye: was JUST GOT HACKED Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com> - 2013-10-07 18:40 +0530
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Pat Johnson <p.johnson125@gmail.com> - 2013-10-08 07:51 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 14:28 +0100
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 19:42 +0100
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-10-01 14:21 -0400
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 22:05 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-10-01 20:02 -0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 02:28 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 09:48 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-10-01 19:14 -0500
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:47 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED ishish <ishish@domhain.de> - 2013-10-02 13:57 +0100
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 13:52 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-10-02 04:42 -0700
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 14:55 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-02 12:51 +0000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-02 15:12 +0200
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 16:30 +0300
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Rod Person <rodperson@rodperson.com> - 2013-10-02 10:31 -0400
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 23:06 +1000
Re: JUST GOT HACKED Pat Johnson <p.johnson125@gmail.com> - 2013-10-08 07:53 -0700
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