Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3

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From	Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date	2013-11-24 03:45 -0700
Subject	Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.3123.1385289947.18130.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 23-11-13 22:51, Peter Otten schreef:
>> Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>
>>> Op 23-11-13 10:01, Peter Otten schreef:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your script is saying that a staticmethod instance is not a callable
>>>> object. It need not be because
>>>>
>>>> Foo.foo()
>>>>
>>>> doesn't call the Foo.foo attribute directly, it calls
>>>>
>>>> Foo.foo.__get__(None, Foo)()
>>>
>>> I think you are burdening the programmer with implemantation details
>>> that don't matter to him.
>>>
>>> IMO if Foo.foo() is legal then Foo.foo is callable. That the actual call
>>> is delegated to Foo.foo.__get__(None, Foo) shouldn't matter.
>>
>> If you read the original post -- I think in this case the details do matter.
>>
>> What is your highlevel explanation for
>
> I don't care about what kind of explanation. I care about a correct answer to
> the question whether a particular object is callable (from a programmers point
> of view). I'm sure you can give a very comprehensive explanation for why in
> this case we get an incorrect answer but that doesn't make the behaviour correct.
>
> Foo.foo() is legal here. So Foo.foo is callable. So you starting with it needn't
> be callable is using "callable" with a different meaning than the natural
> interpretation. Al the rest is just an attempt in getting others to accept your
> use of "callable" instead of the natural one.
>
> Foo.foo() being legal and Foo.foo not being callable is IMO a bug in python. No matter
> what explanation you have for the behaviour.

Your supposition that Foo.foo is not considered callable by Python is
false, as Chris already demonstrated, and I don't see where anybody
here has stated otherwise.  What Peter wrote was that "a staticmethod
instance is not a callable object", which is absolutely correct, and
these two facts are consistent because Foo.foo is not a staticmethod
instance (Foo.__dict__['foo'] on the other hand *is* a staticmethod
instance and *is not* callable, and Foo.__dict__['foo']() will
correspondingly raise a TypeError).

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Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Marco Buttu <marco.buttu@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 09:28 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-11-23 10:01 +0100
    Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Marco Buttu <marco.buttu@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 10:39 +0100
      Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-11-23 16:23 +0100
    Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Marco Buttu <marco.buttu@gmail.com> - 2013-11-23 10:39 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-23 13:48 +0000
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-23 16:00 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-24 08:38 +1100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-11-23 22:51 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-24 11:30 +0100
    Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-24 14:18 +0000
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-11-24 11:43 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-24 03:45 -0700
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-11-24 12:03 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-24 16:55 +0100
  Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-24 17:08 +0100

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