Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny

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From	Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date	2012-07-13 12:54 -0600
Subject	Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.2097.1342205674.4697.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> The function `function` refers to a variable `VERBOSE` that
> isn't local.  In some programming langauages, the interpreter
> would then scan the call stack at run-time, looking for a scope
> where that name is defined.  It would find the local one in
> `caller`.  This is known as "dynamic binding".
>
> Other interpreters use the `VERBOSE` that was in scope at
> the point in the program text where `function` was defined.
> In this case, that would be the global one.  This is called
> "lexical binding".
>
> Some programming languages allow you to indicate on a per-
> variable basis whether you want dynamic or lexical binding.
>
> Python is firmly in the lexical camp.  Dynamic binding is not
> available in Python, and never will be.

I don't believe that dynamic vs. lexical binding is what rusi was
attempting to describe.  If he was, then Python and Haskell would be a
bad comparison since both are lexical.  Rather, I think what he was
trying to show was capture by reference vs. capture by value in the
context of closures.  Python uses capture by reference, and so the
upvalue is the value of that reference at the time the closure is
called.  Haskell uses capture by value, and the upvalue is the value
at the time of definition.

I've also seen the distinction described as "early" vs. "late" binding
on this list, but I'm not sure how precise that is -- I believe that
terminology more accurately describes whether method and attribute
names are looked up at compile-time or at run-time, late binding being
the feature that makes duck typing possible.

Cheers,
Ian

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lambda in list comprehension acting funny Daniel Fetchinson <fetchinson@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-11 08:41 +0200
  Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny "Colin J. Williams" <cjw@ncf.ca> - 2012-07-11 06:28 -0400
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-07-11 10:34 -0600
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-11 20:39 -0700
        Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-12 03:51 +0000
          Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-11 22:04 -0700
            Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-12 06:18 +0000
              Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-12 08:40 +0100
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-11 20:39 -0700
  Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny woooee <woooee@gmail.com> - 2012-07-11 11:38 -0700
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-07-11 13:21 -0700
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-12 00:52 +0000
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-11 21:05 -0400
        Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-12 03:53 +0000
          Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-07-12 00:24 -0400
          Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-12 00:39 -0400
            Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-08-15 19:26 -0500
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2012-07-12 15:29 +1000
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2012-07-12 10:06 +0100
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-12 00:22 +0200
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-11 23:47 +0000
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Daniel Fetchinson <fetchinson@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-12 04:54 +0200
  Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-12 03:59 +0000
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-07-12 10:53 -0600
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-12 18:23 +0100
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-13 02:20 +0000
  Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-12 21:33 -0700
    Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-13 06:36 +0000
      Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-13 06:44 -0700
        Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-13 07:45 -0700
        RE: lambda in list comprehension acting funny "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-07-13 16:12 +0000
          Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-13 09:46 -0700
            Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-14 03:20 +1000
          Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-13 19:53 +0200
            RE: lambda in list comprehension acting funny "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-07-13 18:06 +0000
            Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-07-13 12:54 -0600
              Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-13 21:26 +0200
              Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-14 23:29 +0000
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-15 10:49 +1000
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-15 08:32 +0000
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-15 18:44 +1000
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-15 21:25 +0200
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-07-15 06:27 -0400
            Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-13 19:31 -0700
              Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-14 03:43 +0000
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-13 21:53 -0700
                Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-14 07:46 +0000
        Re: lambda in list comprehension acting funny Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-13 13:47 -0400

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