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Re: Article on the future of Python

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Date 2012-09-26 07:19 -0700
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Subject Re: Article on the future of Python
From wxjmfauth@gmail.com
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Le mercredi 26 septembre 2012 11:55:16 UTC+2, Chris Angelico a écrit :
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM,  <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > you are correct. But the price you pay for this is extremely
> 
> > high. Now, practically all characters are affected, espacially
> 
> > those *in* the Basic *** Multilingual*** Plane, these characters
> 
> > used by non "American" user (No offense here, I just use this
> 
> > word for ascii/latin-1).
> 
> >
> 
> > I'm ready to be considered as an idiot, but I'm not blind.
> 
> > As soon as I tested these characters, Py3.3 performs really
> 
> > badly. It seems to me it is legitimate to consider, there
> 
> > is a serious problem here.
> 
> 
> 
> We've been over this thread. The only reason you're counting 3.3 as
> 
> worse is because you're comparing against a narrow build of Python
> 
> 3.2. Narrow builds are **BUGGY** and this needed to be resolved.
> 
> 
> 
> When you compare against a wide build, semantics of 3.2 and 3.3 are
> 
> identical, and then - and ONLY then - can you sanely compare
> 
> performance. And 3.3 stacks up much better.
> 
> 
> 
> ChrisA

No, I'm comparing Py33 with Py32 narrow build [*].
And I am not a Python newbie. Others in a previous
discussion have pointed "bad" numbers and even
TR wrote something like "I'm baffled (?) by these
numbers".

I took a look at the test suites, unfortunatelly
they are mainly testing "special cases", something
like one of the 3 internal representations, eg
"latin-1".

I can also add to this, that it is not only one
of the internal representation which may be
suspect (it is probably different now, Py32/Py33) but
also the "switch" between these representations
which is causing troubles.

[*] I have not the knowledge to compile a wide
build and I do not wish to spend my time in something
that will be most probably a nightmare for me.
I'm reacting like a "normal" Python user.

jmf

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