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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 00:56:11 +1000
Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:

> Despite my comments, I don't actually have any objection to people who
> choose to use Emacs, or Vim, or edit their text files by poking the hard
> drive platter with a magnetised needle if they prefer :-) But I do think
> it's silly of them to claim that Emacs has no learning curve, or to fail to
> recognise how unfamiliar and different the UIs are compared to nearly
> everything else a computer user is likely to be familiar with in 2014.

 Really, they don't! At least not for the people, for whom they are
necessary tools. When I started in my present job, "remote access" was
a dial-up modem, that could do 2400 baud, if you were lucky[1]. With such a
shitty connection, a text-only editor is indisputably the right thing. 

 Curiously enough, even today the same lousy kind of connections prevail. We
still have a sizeable modem bank at my job. We still do our remote support
over a telnet/ssh session. And we still are unable to reliable get the 
connection speeds[2], that would make anything with a GUI remotely
pleasant. 

 So emacs and vim still have their niches. Those of us, who are old enough
to have started our first job in a glorified teletype, OR have to support
systems that are only reachable over RFC-1149 quality datalinks, belong
there. The rest of you would probably be better off with something nicer.

1. Meaning a real switched landline all the way from Denmark to Tokyo.
Ending up with two satellite up/down-links was a killer.

2. We have an installation in the Philippines, where we ended up installing a
   satellite uplink. It feels like we have doubled the connectivity of the
   entire Manilla area by doing so. And it's still painfully slow.

-- 
//Wegge

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Global indent Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-08-22 14:19 -0400
  Re: Global indent Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-08-22 13:34 -0500
  Re: Global indent "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-08-22 14:44 -0400
  Re: Global indent Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-08-22 12:21 -0700
  Re: Global indent Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-08-22 15:46 -0400
    Re: Global indent Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-08-22 12:54 -0700
      Re: Global indent Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-22 23:11 +0300
        Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 19:08 +1000
          Re: Global indent Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-23 12:32 +0300
          Re: Global indent Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-23 11:41 +0200
            Re: Global indent Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-08-23 15:19 +0100
              Re: Global indent Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-23 18:17 +0200
                Re: Global indent Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-08-23 21:57 +0100
                Re: Global indent Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Global indent Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-08-24 20:24 +0100
            Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-24 00:56 +1000
              Re: Global indent Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-23 18:09 +0200
              Re: Global indent Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2014-08-23 22:43 +0200
                Re: Global indent Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-24 01:50 +0300
            Re: Global indent Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-23 15:18 -0500
          Re: Global indent Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-23 07:49 -0700
          Re: Global indent [levity] Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-08-23 17:17 +0000
      Re: Global indent "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-08-22 16:16 -0400
      Re: Global indent Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-08-22 14:14 -0700
        Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 19:31 +1000
          Re: Global indent Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-23 15:09 -0500
      Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 18:19 +1000
        Re: Global indent alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-08-23 10:17 +0000
          Re: Global indent Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2014-08-23 10:32 -0400
    Re: Global indent Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-23 06:20 +1000
    Re: Global indent Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-22 21:59 +0100
    Re: Global indent mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-08-23 12:50 +0100
  Re: Global indent Simon Ward <simon@bleah.co.uk> - 2014-08-22 20:22 +0100
  Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 18:12 +1000
  Re: Global indent Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-08-23 11:10 -0400

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