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Am 23.08.14 11:08, schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
> I just started up emacs, and got a GUI window with an abstract picture of a
> gnu and a bunch of instructions which I didn't get a chance to read. I
> clicked on the text, and the instructions disappeared. I don't know how to
> get them back. They were replaced with what looks like a blank page ready
> to type into, except it starts with this ominous warning:
>
> ;; This buffer is for notes you don't want to save, and for Lisp evaluation.
> ;; If you want to create a file, visit that file with C-x C-f,
> ;; then enter the text in that file's own buffer.
>
 > [...] (lots of frustrating user experience deleted)

 >
> This is the moment that I decide to give up on Emacs and take up something
> trivial in comparison, like being a Soyuz pilot, если вы знаете, что я имею
> в виду.

Well done, Steve! This is the exact reason that I do not recommend gvim 
to anybody, who asks me an editor question, though I use it myself for 
practically any text editing task.  (I'm pretty sure you did that C-f 
... thing on purpose to make your point clear. and that you actually 
understand it was meant to represent pressing Ctrl-key).

There are ways to put these editors into Beginner's mode, for vim there 
is "evim", and for sure emacs has something similar, where the editor 
behaves more like you expect. In evim, this means you can't go to 
command mode, and you need to use the menus and toolbars to save/load 
text. But if you do that, you also loose the functionality that comes 
from the command mode - it's actually better to recommend Notepad++ or kate.

Sometimes I impress my colleagues with what they call "magic", i.e. 
creating special repeated lists of numbers by a few keystrokes in gvim, 
and that has triggered the request from them to learn a bit of (g)vim. 
But when they asked me, which editor they should use, I pointed them to 
kate.

	Christian

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Global indent Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-08-22 14:19 -0400
  Re: Global indent Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-08-22 13:34 -0500
  Re: Global indent "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-08-22 14:44 -0400
  Re: Global indent Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-08-22 12:21 -0700
  Re: Global indent Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-08-22 15:46 -0400
    Re: Global indent Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2014-08-22 12:54 -0700
      Re: Global indent Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-22 23:11 +0300
        Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 19:08 +1000
          Re: Global indent Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-23 12:32 +0300
          Re: Global indent Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-23 11:41 +0200
            Re: Global indent Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-08-23 15:19 +0100
              Re: Global indent Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-23 18:17 +0200
                Re: Global indent Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-08-23 21:57 +0100
                Re: Global indent Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Global indent Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-08-24 20:24 +0100
            Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-24 00:56 +1000
              Re: Global indent Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2014-08-23 18:09 +0200
              Re: Global indent Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2014-08-23 22:43 +0200
                Re: Global indent Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-24 01:50 +0300
            Re: Global indent Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-23 15:18 -0500
          Re: Global indent Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-08-23 07:49 -0700
          Re: Global indent [levity] Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-08-23 17:17 +0000
      Re: Global indent "Neil D. Cerutti" <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-08-22 16:16 -0400
      Re: Global indent Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-08-22 14:14 -0700
        Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 19:31 +1000
          Re: Global indent Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-08-23 15:09 -0500
      Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 18:19 +1000
        Re: Global indent alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-08-23 10:17 +0000
          Re: Global indent Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2014-08-23 10:32 -0400
    Re: Global indent Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-08-23 06:20 +1000
    Re: Global indent Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-08-22 21:59 +0100
    Re: Global indent mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2014-08-23 12:50 +0100
  Re: Global indent Simon Ward <simon@bleah.co.uk> - 2014-08-22 20:22 +0100
  Re: Global indent Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-08-23 18:12 +1000
  Re: Global indent Seymore4Head <Seymore4Head@Hotmail.invalid> - 2014-08-23 11:10 -0400

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