Re: raise None

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: raise None
Date	2016-01-01 10:41 +1100
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 31/12/2015 23:27, Ben Finney wrote:
>>
>> Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Given how very often such decisions make my debugging tasks
>>>> needlessly difficult, I'm not seeing how that's a desirable feature.
>>>
>>>
>>> What Steven's actually advocating is removing a difference between
>>> Python code and native code.
>>
>>
>> Sure, but his proposal is to move in the direction of *less* debugging
>> information.
>>
>> If I could have the traceback continue into the C code and tell me the
>> line of C code that raised the exception, *that's* what I'd choose.
>>
>> The debugging information barrier of the C–Python boundary is a
>> practical limitation, not a desirable one. I think those barriers should
>> be as few as possible, and don't agree with enabling more of them.
>>
>
> Where did C code enter into this?  What do the non C implementations do?
> All I see is a dumb original suggestion that should be shot down in flames
> as I see no merit in it at all.

I used the term "native code", because Jython and PyPy do the exact
same thing that CPython does. (I haven't checked any others than
those, but I wouldn't be surprised if they, too, had this
distinction.) Short-handing to "C code" is close enough.

ChrisA

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raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-12-31 11:09 +1100
  Re: raise None Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 16:19 -0800
  Validation in Python (was: raise None) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-12-31 11:26 +1100
  Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 11:38 +1100
    Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-12-31 12:26 +1100
      Re: raise None Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-12-31 12:44 +1100
        Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-12-31 15:07 +1100
          Re: raise None Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:19 +0000
            Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-01-01 02:35 +1100
              Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 02:53 +1100
              Re: raise None Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 16:46 +0000
                Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-01-01 04:50 +1100
              Re: raise None "Martin A. Brown" <martin@linux-ip.net> - 2015-12-31 09:30 -0800
              Re: raise None Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-01-01 07:18 +1100
                Re: raise None Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2016-01-02 12:47 +0100
              Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 09:48 +1100
                Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-01-04 16:19 +1100
                Re: raise None Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2016-01-04 06:09 +0000
                Re: raise None Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 22:39 -0800
              Re: raise None Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-01-01 10:27 +1100
                Re: raise None Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-01-01 02:29 +0200
                Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-01-04 16:19 +1100
                Re: raise None Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 21:53 -0800
                Re: raise None Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 03:55 -0800
                Re: raise None Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 21:53 -0800
              Re: raise None Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 23:36 +0000
              Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 10:39 +1100
              Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 10:41 +1100
              Re: raise None Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 19:04 -0800
                Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 14:31 +1100
                Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-01-04 14:48 +1100
                Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 14:56 +1100
                Re: raise None Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 20:46 -0800
              Re: raise None Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2016-01-04 08:28 +0100
      Re: raise None Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 13:12 +1100
      Re: raise None Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2015-12-31 15:03 +1100
        Re: raise None Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-12-31 16:12 +1100
          Re: raise None Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2015-12-31 16:45 +1100
  Re: raise None Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-12-30 23:00 -0500
  Re: raise None Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 15:58 +0000
  Re: raise None Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-12-31 17:17 +0100

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