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Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper()

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From Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
Date 2012-12-19 14:23 -0700
Subject Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper()
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM,  <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, it is correct (or can be considered as correct).
> I do not wish to discuss the typographical problematic
> of "Das Grosse Eszett". The web is full of pages on the
> subject. However, I never succeeded to find an "official
> position" from Unicode. The best information I found seem
> to indicate (to converge), U+1E9E is now the "supported"
> uppercase form of U+00DF. (see DIN).

Is this link not official?

http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=00DF

That defines a full uppercase mapping to SS and a simple uppercase
mapping to U+00DF itself, not U+1E9E.  My understanding of the simple
mapping is that it is not allowed to map to multiple characters,
whereas the full mapping is so allowed.

> What is bothering me, is more the implementation. The Unicode
> documentation says roughly this: if something can not be
> honoured, there is no harm, but do not implement a workaroud.
> In that case, I'm not sure Python is doing the best.

But this behavior is per the specification, not a workaround.  I think
the worst thing we could do in this regard would be to start diverging
from the specification because we think we know better than the
Unicode Consortium.


> If "wrong", this can be considered as programmatically correct
> or logically acceptable (Py3.2)
>
>>>> 'Straße'.upper().lower().capitalize() == 'Straße'
> True
>
> while this will *always* be problematic (Py3.3)
>
>>>> 'Straße'.upper().lower().capitalize() == 'Straße'
> False

On the other hand (Py3.2):

>>> 'Straße'.upper().isupper()
False

vs. Py3.3:

>>> 'Straße'.upper().isupper()
True

There is probably no one clearly correct way to handle the problem,
but personally this contradiction bothers me more than the example
that you posted.

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Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 06:23 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Thomas Bach <thbach@students.uni-mainz.de> - 2012-12-19 15:43 +0100
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Christian Heimes <christian@python.org> - 2012-12-19 15:52 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 12:55 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 14:23 -0700
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:42 -0800
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:42 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 13:01 +1100
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Westley Martínez <anikom15@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 18:53 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 12:55 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Stefan Krah <stefan-usenet@bytereef.org> - 2012-12-19 16:01 +0100
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 02:17 +1100
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-12-19 16:18 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-12-19 16:22 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 02:40 +1100
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-12-20 15:57 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 11:27 -0700
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 13:18 -0800
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 14:31 -0700
          Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:40 -0800
            Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:48 -0500
            Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-20 22:51 +0000
          Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:40 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-19 13:18 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-19 19:39 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 13:03 +1100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-19 21:54 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Westley Martínez <anikom15@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 19:12 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 14:22 +1100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 00:32 -0500
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-12-20 05:51 +0000
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:57 -0800
        Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:30 -0500
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:57 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-12-27 21:00 +0200
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-27 11:36 -0800
      Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-27 11:36 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Christian Heimes <christian@python.org> - 2012-12-19 16:33 +0100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-29 11:16 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-29 11:16 -0800
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Benjamin Peterson <benjamin@python.org> - 2012-12-19 20:25 +0000
  Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2012-12-20 11:19 -0800
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-12-20 20:20 +0000
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-12-21 08:19 +1100
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:12 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-12-20 17:59 -0500
    Re: Py 3.3, unicode / upper() Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-12-20 17:34 -0700

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