Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History!

From	"Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.apple2
Subject	Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History!
Date	2014-12-24 12:14 -0600
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<osgeld@cheesefactory.us> wrote:
>whereas applewin does not render identically the same as the real machine, 
>in fact its about 75% close to what the real metal does on my tv tuner card 
>does

After some more thought...

It is more important to note that the screemshots in this document of mine 
were from AppleWin NTSC which is in fact considered accurate, and likely a 
great deal more accurate than something from a TV tuner card when it comes 
to real Apple II colors.

I also think you need to review the entire context of this document of mine, 
and understand its "historiczal significance" before requesting any changes. 
I would also appreciate the original images that you have used for your 
conversions as well as the real Apple II output for your conversions before 
I put further time into this request.

Your BASIC concept of plotting is a good one and could be easily applied to 
BLOADING a 16 color bmp created from a 6 color palette in The GIMP much like 
Cybernesto's VBMP. I used the same approach to create raster overlays in an 
Autolisp (Autocad) script writer written in compiled BASIC in the 80's on a 
PC XT.

Setting the palette bits using groups of 7 or 14 after plotting would work 
essentially the same way as what Sheldon and I are doing in our HGR 
convertersion code. Your end result would not need our converters; it would 
be a "Classic" and Pure AppleSoft BASIC program. It would not require the 
overhead of a script either nor some wierd scripting language. Just a 16 
color BMP with a palette to be mapped from.

If you are adamant about me changing this document without providing me (all 
of us) with both the real output and the original images for a more detailed 
comparison, I can as easily remove all mention of the Ghetto converter, but 
I think you would be further ahead putting some effort into this. Ghetto is 
fundamentally a good idea. It's not a hack.

Bill

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  Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! Antoine Vignau <antoine.vignau@laposte.net> - 2014-12-22 10:02 -0800
    Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net> - 2014-12-22 12:54 -0600
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      Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! STYNX <Jonas.Groenhagen@gmx.de> - 2014-12-22 12:05 -0800
        Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net> - 2014-12-22 14:35 -0600
  Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Michael \"AppleWin Debugger Dev\"" <michael.pohoreski@gmail.com> - 2014-12-22 13:11 -0800
  Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> - 2014-12-22 20:48 -0500
    Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net> - 2014-12-22 20:40 -0600
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    Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net> - 2014-12-23 05:34 -0600
  Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! osgeld@cheesefactory.us - 2014-12-23 23:58 -0800
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        Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! osgeld@cheesefactory.us - 2014-12-24 11:35 -0800
          Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! osgeld@cheesefactory.us - 2014-12-24 11:36 -0800
            Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net> - 2014-12-24 13:57 -0600
              Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! osgeld@cheesefactory.us - 2014-12-26 01:07 -0800
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              Re: Announcing: the Release of the Best Apple IIe Graphics Converter on the Planet and in History! "Bill Buckels" <bbuckels@mts.net> - 2014-12-26 17:13 -0600
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