Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc

From	Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc
Date	2013-08-23 08:32 -0700
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Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
[...]
> I agree that those who care about their random should use a generator that
> is suitable to their specific needs, but should also understand what those
> needs are, and why the generator is suitable. I treat "use of the Mersenne
> Twister" as a 99% reliable indicator that the programmer doesn't have a 
> clue about random numbers, for example. (OK, it's about 10/10 reliable, 
> but someone did inform me that he encountered one project that did actually
> use it correctly once.)

Can you briefly summarize (or provide a citation for) the problems with
the Mersenne Twister?  The Wikipedia article has a small "Disadvantages"
section, but I don't see anything there that suggests it's as
problematic as you say.

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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
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Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-08 14:03 -0700
  Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-13 21:41 +0300
    Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2013-08-13 19:34 +0000
      Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-08-13 18:52 -0500
        Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "Scott Fluhrer" <sfluhrer@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-08-15 09:43 -0400
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      Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-08-14 07:30 +0100
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          Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-08-15 05:41 +0100
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      Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-15 16:42 +0300
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          Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-17 07:51 -0400
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          Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-08-19 22:58 +0100
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      Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-23 11:42 +0300
        Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-23 07:09 -0400
          Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-23 17:55 +0300
            Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-23 12:29 -0400
        Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-23 08:32 -0700
          Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2013-08-23 09:32 -0700
            Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-23 17:47 +0000
            Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-24 13:24 +0300
              Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-24 15:27 -0700
            Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-08-25 19:05 -0500
              Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-25 19:54 -0700
              Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-27 17:14 +0300
                [OT] Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-08-27 10:52 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-27 18:43 +0300
                Re: [OT] Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2013-08-27 15:08 -0400
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-08-27 10:59 -0500
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-27 12:27 -0400
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-08-27 13:27 -0500
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-27 15:03 -0400
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-08-27 19:02 -0500
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-27 22:14 -0400
                OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-08-28 07:36 -0500
                Re: OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-28 11:14 -0400
                Re: OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2013-08-28 10:59 -0500
                Re: OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-28 12:46 -0400
                Re: OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-28 21:13 +0300
                Re: OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-28 20:20 -0400
                Re: OT:Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-08-28 18:07 +0100
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-28 21:10 +0300
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-28 21:08 +0300
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-27 12:21 -0700
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-08-28 04:07 +0100
        Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-24 13:38 -0700
          Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-25 12:50 +0300
            Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-26 12:54 -0700
              Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Chris DH <cdhorz@gmail.com> - 2013-08-26 17:05 -0700
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-27 17:17 +0300
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Chris DH <cdhorz@gmail.com> - 2013-08-27 08:33 -0700
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-27 14:02 -0700
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Chris DH <cdhorz@gmail.com> - 2013-08-27 18:51 -0700
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-29 09:34 -0700
                Re: Random 64 bit number in stdc Chris DH <cdhorz@gmail.com> - 2013-08-29 17:06 -0700

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