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Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage
Date	2024-08-18 11:57 +0200
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Am Samstag000017, 17.08.2024 um 14:52 schrieb Python:
> **An Interesting Case of Mental Blockage and Cognitive Dissonance:**
> 
> *Einstein-Poincaré Synchronization Procedure and Dr. Lengrand*
> 
> What’s fascinating about certain cranks is that just when you think 
> you’ve seen all the absurdities they can come up with, they manage to 
> produce something even worse. Their cognitive dissonance and ability to 
> pull out bizarre notions from who knows where, on top of a perfectly 
> well-defined technical procedure, is astonishing. We’ve seen this before 
> with GPS, where Hachel invents all sorts of fantasies, like atomic 
> clocks in the receivers or synchronization with a clock infinitely far 
> away in a fourth spatial dimension...
> 
> This is a report of exchanges on the synchronization procedure described 
> by Einstein in his 1905 paper, discussions that took place 17 years ago 
> and more recently on sci.physics.relativity and fr.sci.physique.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/fr.sci.physique/c/KgqI9gqTkR8/m/oMc9X0XjCWMJ
> 
> *Reminders on the Procedure:*
> 
> Two identical clocks, A and B, are stationary relative to each other at 
> a certain distance. Their identical functioning (within measurement 
> accuracy) allows us to assume that they "tick at the same rate." NOTHING 
> more is assumed, especially regarding the time they display; the purpose 
> is PRECISELY to adjust one of these clocks by applying a correction 
> after a calculation involving the values indicated on these clocks 
> during specific events, events that occur AT THE LOCATION OF EACH CLOCK.
> 
> Einstein’s procedure is not strictly a synchronization procedure but a 
> method to VERIFY their synchronization. This is the main difference from 
> Poincaré’s approach. However, it can be proven that Poincaré’s method 
> leads to clocks synchronized in Einstein’s sense. You can also transform 
> Einstein’s verification method into a synchronization procedure because 
> it allows calculating the correction to apply to clock A.
> 
> *Steps of Einstein's Method:*
> 
> When clock A shows t_A, a light signal is emitted from A towards B.
> 
> When this signal is received at B, clock B shows t_B, and a light signal 
> is sent from B back towards A.
> 
> When the signal is received at A, clock A shows t'_A.

Relativity requires mutally symmetric methods. So if you synchronize 
clock B with clock A, this must come to the same result, as if you would 
synchronize clock A with clock B.

But this requirement was not fullfilled in Einstein's scheme, because 
Einstein didn't take delay into consideration.

If A and B are located at different places in the universe and maintain 
their distance (at least as long as the procedure lasts), then delay 
(A->B) should be equal to delay(B->A).

If you would encode time into the exchanged signal, you could compare 
the local reading of your own clock (at -say- B in this case) with the 
content of the code in the received message from A, if you add 
delay(A->B) to t_A (which is encoded in the timing signal).

But Einstein didn't calculate that delay, nor even mentioned it.

So Einstein assumed something absurd:

beings at B should see a blink of light, comming from A, compare that 
with their own clock and sent a light signal back to A.

But: how do these beings know t_A in the first place?

Sure, Einstein assumed kind of 'large telescope setting', where beings 
at B could see the clock at A.

But this wouldn't cause a symmetric synchronization, because the signal 
arrives delayed at B and Einstein didn't calculate that delay.

This would cause an obvious error, because the clock at B had to be set 
to an earlier time setting than it should, because the vision of the 
remote clock is delayed.

Now this cannot be made symmetric, because otherwise the beings at both 
ends of the communication would turn their own clocks earlier and 
earlier (with each communication), because the remote station does that, 
too.


...


TH

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                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-21 10:21 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-26 10:12 +0300
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-20 09:38 +0000
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                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-24 11:11 +0300
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-25 09:01 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-25 12:03 +0300
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                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-26 07:47 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-26 10:14 +0000
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                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-24 08:40 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-25 09:21 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-25 09:30 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-25 09:48 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-25 09:55 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-26 08:05 +0200
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                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-26 10:43 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-26 12:51 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-26 13:02 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-26 13:12 +0200
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                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 15:00 +0000
                Re: Is it a Joke? ? ? Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-29 18:19 +0200
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            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-28 11:41 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-28 11:04 +0000
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-29 08:21 +0200
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-27 10:25 +0000
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                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:24 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 10:57 +0200
              Et ça continue...  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:16 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 14:35 +0200
                Re: Et ça continue... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:46 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-29 14:42 +0200
                Re: Et ça continue... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> - 2024-08-29 12:47 +0000
                Re: Et ça continue... "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2024-08-29 21:25 +0200
              Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-30 07:53 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:16 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-30 10:38 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 12:45 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 13:44 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-30 17:09 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 20:03 +0200
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-08-30 12:12 +0000
                Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-30 13:41 +0200
            Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-29 13:10 +0300
        Re: [SR and synchronization] Cognitive Dissonances and Mental Blockage Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-08-27 15:39 +0300

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