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Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within

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On 2013-06-14, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:16:05 +0300, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>
>> My question is why the expr (name and month and year) result in the 
>> value of the last variable whic is variable year?
>
> For much the same reason that an OR expression returns the first true
> value.
>
> "or" and "and" only evaluate as many arguments are required in order to
> determine the correct result (aka "short-circuit evaluation"). If the
> first argument of "or" is true, or the first argument of "and" is false,
> the second argument isn't evaluated (this is important if evaluation can
> have side effects).

There are two completely orthogonal concepts here:

 1. Short-circuit evaluation.  Many languages do this.  AFAICT, this
    isn't what he's asking about, but this is what people keep
    explaining.

 2. Returning one the objects that result from the evaluation of the
    operands instead of returning True or False.

    This is what seems to be confusing him.  This is much less common
    than short-circuit evaluation.  C does short-circuit evaluation of
    && and || operators, but the result is always 1 or 0 (true of
    false). Instead of always returning True or False (which could be
    done and still preserver short-circuit evaluation), Python returns
    one of the operands or False.

    If you also have 1. there are cases where the value returned by
    the "or" operator is useful apart from it's "truthyness" value.
    There may be cases where the result returned by the "and" operator
    is useful apart from it's truthyness, but that seems to be less
    common.  Taking advantage of that fact can lead to some
    hard-to-read code, so it's often discouraged as being too clever.

It's important to note that these are somewhat orthogonal:

 You can have #1 and #2 (like Python).

 You can have #1 without #2 (like C).

 You can have #2 without #1

 You can have neither #1 or #2

But again, #2 is more useful if you also have #1. 
 
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Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 12:50 +0300
  Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 11:03 +0100
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  Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-14 14:49 +0000
    Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Nick the Gr33k <support@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-14 18:16 +0300
      Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2013-06-14 17:42 +0100
        Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-14 19:30 +0000
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          Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-15 01:34 +0000
            Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-06-15 12:03 +1000
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      Re: Eval of expr with 'or' and 'and' within Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-14 19:36 +0000
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