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Re: Pass data to a subprocess

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On 2012-08-01, Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> wrote:
>
>>>> things get more tricky, because I can't use queues and pipes to
>>>> communicate with a running process that it's noit my child, correct?
>>>>
>>> Yes, I think that is correct.
>> I don't understand why detaching a child process on Linux/Unix would
>> make IPC stop working.  Can somebody explain?
>
> It is implemented with shared memory. I think (although I'm not 100% 
> sure) that shared memory is created *and freed up* (shm_unlink() system 
> call) by the parent process. It makes sense, because the child processes 
> will surely die with the parent. If you detach a child process, then it 
> won't be killed with its original parent. But the shared memory will be 
> freed by the original parent process anyway. I suspect that the child 
> that has mapped that shared memory segment will try to access a freed up 
> resource, do a segfault or something similar.

I still don't get it.  shm_unlink() works the same way unlink() does.
The resource itself doesn't cease to exist until all open file handles
are closed. From the shm_unlink() man page on Linux:

       The operation of shm_unlink() is analogous to unlink(2): it
       removes a shared memory object name, and, once all processes
       have unmapped the object, de-allocates and destroys the
       contents of the associated memory region. After a successful
       shm_unlink(), attempts to shm_open() an object with the same
       name will fail (unless O_CREAT was specified, in which case a
       new, distinct object is created).
       
Even if the parent calls shm_unlink(), the shared-memory resource will
continue to exist (and be usable) until all processes that are holding
open file handles unmap/close them.  So not only will detached
children not crash, they'll still be able to use the shared memory
objects to talk to each other.
       
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Re: Pass data to a subprocess Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2012-08-01 10:19 +0200
  Re: Pass data to a subprocess Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-08-01 06:59 -0400
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2012-08-01 13:07 +0200
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2012-08-01 13:26 +0200
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-08-01 14:25 +0100
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-08-01 15:07 -0400
  Re: Pass data to a subprocess Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-01 14:16 +0000
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2012-08-01 16:32 +0200
      Re: Pass data to a subprocess Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-01 19:48 +0000
        Re: Pass data to a subprocess Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2012-08-02 08:10 +0200
          Re: Pass data to a subprocess Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-08-02 14:29 +0000
        Re: Pass data to a subprocess Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-08-02 13:21 -0400
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> - 2012-08-01 16:42 +0200
    Re: Pass data to a subprocess andrea crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> - 2012-08-01 16:24 +0100

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